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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2010 17:58
salafism
who also go under other such names as
Salaf/salafi
Ahlul Hadeeth / ahl-e-hadeeth
Wahabi (although this name has now been dropped)

They also known as
La Madhabi
Ghair muqalideen
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2010 18:39
Oh i see..I think its not that hard..Salafi's try to make us think they are but the best..with words like Quran! hadith! salaf us saalihoon! sahaba! tabioon!
yet when it comes to it they will reject even sahih hadith,they reject the Ijma of the sahaba's they don't believe the Khulafa ar rashidoon made the decisions according to Islam but the descions made by them were only political..they abuse the Aimah Arabah 4 great Imams of the Madhabs and throw their fatwas to the side..they don't belong to the chain of Ilm that has been passed down from From Rasulullah (saw) to the sahaba to the tabieen from scholar to scholar up til today.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2010 19:05
Bro, that post was brilliant. You've summed them up in a few sentences.

InshaAllah I will post some of their attacks in this topic soon.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2010 21:26
Jazakallah .. join in.
They will walk out of the masjid in ramadhan after praying only 8 rakaths of taraweeh..
while there was ijmah of the Sahaba(rad) on praying 20 rakaths.
they will pray salah wearing pants and t-shirt and no topi
they will say AAAmmeeen!! in a loud voice while according to our Madhab it should be said in a low voice because Ameen is a dua and not part of the Tilawath al Quran.
they will put their hands on their chest..well ok in between the chest and navel..not according to any Hadith.
they don't differentiate between the salah postures of men and women
they don't have fiq
they emphasis on everyone studying the Hadith ..now before there were only 4 madhabs and Allah preserved all the sunnath through them which is a Rahmah from Allah.Everyone of them is trying to study Hadith with his own interpretation with out any ilm there are going to be millions ikhtilafs...taking many people out of the fold of Islam altogether.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2010 21:36
Can i just say,why the hatred amongst each other,why can't we unite how the quran tells us how our beloved prophet(saw) told us,why we are right and so and so is wrong,or so and so is right and we are wrong.Only Allah knows who's right and who's wrong,let Allah be the judge of our deeds and actions and our way of practicing deen ,we cant say our way is right and their ways is wrong,and they cant say there way is right and our way is wrong.only Allah knows best.one should only take care of how they are following the orders of Allah regarding themselves.one should not judge other people because we are in no position to judge others.
I am not saying this to you guys,i am saying this to every muslim person,no mater what figh they belong too.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2010 23:19
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2010 10:00
Before you start jumping to conclusion regarding me,SHE must be one of THEM,what a horrid word to describe THEM and US,the only word that should be used amongst Muslim is BROTHERS.and SISTERS.
I would like to inform you that i do follow a Hanafi Madh'hab.
And i am also very sure on the day of Resurrection Allah will NOT ask me what Madh'hab did you follow,Allah will only be questioning me regarding how i spent my life on the earth,abiding his rules or abiding Satan's rules.
I have seen so much hatred amongst Muslim regarding fiqh,and who's right and who's wrong,that it sadness me and hurts me how we the Muslim ummah of Muhammad(saw) hate each other so much because of our ego.
May Allah guide us towards truth and guide us as one.amin.
Once we unite the flag of Islam will be all over the world,and that's when the kuffar will not treat on us like dirt,correction they treat us worse then dirt,and why? because we muslim's are not united as one.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2010 11:44
Dear sister, I don't think its a matter of "them" and "us" without any valid reason. Many years ago i was in such a condition that i was even unaware of what the word "madhab" meant, let alone knowing which one i was "following". Then i met a group of young women who accused me of performing my salaat wrong, of being a mushrik for following Imam Abu Hanifah ra and worse still, they insulted Shaykh Mawlana Ashraf Ali Thanwi ra and his work and this not just upset me but it scared me. Yes i was scared that for years i had been on the "wrong path".

Alhamdulillah, through the special fadl of Allah subhaanahu wata'ala I embarked on a fact finding mission. After ploughing through many volumes, listening to many lectures and pestering many Ulama i understood both sides (my research continues till today). I have never felt hatred for any of the sisters i met and those i still continue to meet. I Teach Tajweed and basics of Deen to young women. Once i begin to realise that a sister is "salafi" inclined, I request them not to ask me fiqh as i follow the Hanafiyyah Madhab and i can only get answers from the Hanafi fiqh. This often leads to talks and Alhamdulillah in a few cases they have realised their erroneous thinking.

Please don't get this wrong. Unity is important but how can we be united when "we" are constantly accused of shirk and incorrect beliefs. Through all my talks with the sisters i have never said they were wrong or accused them of any sin. We have always carried out the discussions with mutual respect. May Allah subhaanahu wata'ala show us all the truth as truth and render us help to follow it and show us falsehood as falsehood and render us help to avoid it! Aameen.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2010 12:06
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Before you start jumping to conclusion regarding me,SHE must be one of THEM,what a horrid word to describe THEM and US,the only word that should be used amongst Muslim is BROTHERS.and SISTERS.[/quote] When the topic is about Muslims and Kuffar, US would refer to Muslim and THEM would refer to Kuffar. When the topic is about Shias and Sunnis, US would refer to Sunnis and THEM would refer to Shias. If the topic is about Liverpool supporters and another team then the Liverpool fan saying US would refer to Liverpool fans and THEM would refer to other teams. Similarly, in this case, as the topic is about Salafism and Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaa'ah, saying us and them is fair and normal instead of using "Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah" on each and every occasion. If a family is being attacked by gang members or thieves who are Muslims, naturally a person would say "don't come near US" - it doesn't mean that as the attackers are Muslims you have to use Brothers and Sisters. Consider the topic, not the words.

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And i am also very sure on the day of Resurrection Allah will NOT ask me what Madh'hab did you follow,Allah will only be questioning me regarding how i spent my life on the earth,abiding his rules or abiding Satan's rules.
In the answer to that question, will a person reply that "I lived my life as I understood it myself from Qur'aan and Sunnah and I didn't listen to any Ulamaa or follow any set of rules ignoring the Sahaabah and their ways" - this is basically the way of the Salafis.

Yes Allah سبحانه وتعالى will not ask which Madh-hab did you follow. Using your perspective, I can also say that Allah سبحانه وتعالى will not ask which Sahabaah did you accept and which Sahaabah will you reject. Does that mean Shiaas have nothing to worry about as they literally reject and swear at Abu Bakr رضي الله عنه and Umar رضي الله عنه?

For us to be able to answer Allah سبحانه وتعالى, we need a steadfast and a desire-free way of life as passed on from Prophet to Sahabah to Tabi'ee to person to person to us. If a person falls into the trap of the Salafi's they will be following their own understanding and a purpose driven set of rules hence leading to their failure as a Muslim. Because of this, a person will not be able to answer how they lived their life as they lived it according to their own will and understanding.

[quote]I have seen so much hatred amongst Muslim regarding fiqh,and who's right and who's wrong,that it sadness me and hurts me how we the Muslim Ummah of Muhammad(saw) hate each other so much because of our ego.
You must remember my following words: "Defending is not hating" - the classic way of Islam has been destroyed and we feel strongly that Islam is being destroyed, that is the real sad sorry. If we do not cause hatred nor do we spread it, we defend it and in doing so, the culprits come across as being hated. Also, you must also remember that we do not hate the Salafis, we hate Salafism. There really is a huge difference.

I hope this helps
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2010 12:31

last part of previous post:


"Also, you must also remember that we do hate the Salafis, we hate Salafism. There really is a huge difference"



I think theres been a missprint...shoudnt it be?:


"Also, you must also remember that we do not hate the Salafis, we hate Salafism. There really is a huge difference.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2010 12:49
Jazakillah. "not" is the most common word to be missed when typing. Error corrected
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2010 13:27
There is alot of hatred where i come from,a sunni will not enter the masjid lead by ALH hadith,AN ALH HADITH will not enter in the masjid of sunni or the same with Ahlus Sunnah..what is this ?they look at each other as if these people have some sort of disease.masjid is house of Allah.there are bit of differences,but the issue is taken out of proportion,so did the four school of thought had differences,but that didn't mean they couldn't stand each other,or ran away from each other as if they were going to catch a plague.but this is happening amongst us.
i dont have a very deep root of knowledge,maybe that's why i am finding it hard to understand this matter.i know we have become a laughing stock amongst non Muslims because they say what kind of religion is Islam,when the Muslims dont see there religion with one eye.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2010 13:47
Unfortunately it is true that there are major differences in the Ummah however we cannot compromise the beliefs of the Ahllus sunnah wal jama'ah. Our Akaabireen have sacrificed their lives to preserve the true Deen. Insha Allah we too should strive to educate ourselves and pass it on to others.

Insha Allah if we remain firm with good akhlaaq we can become an example. Dont worry too much sisiter in islam, du'a is a great weapon and sad as it may be remember that these differences were predicted by our beloved Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wasallam.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2010 13:53
Salam,

I hope you don't think of informing and warning members of this group about the dangers and influences of their ways as the type mentioned in the above post?

Yes it is an absolute tragedy where this Ummah has sunk to but the fact that the Salafi's are so strongly spreading like a virus making each person their own Madh-hab. Please go through shining light's post number 2 and 4 above. The Salafi's really are like that.

Also, Ummi Taalib has mentioned how she was affected. How can label and curse Ulamaa? Such great Ulamaa who have spread and made Islam easy with their entire life's works?

We must know when to be strong, when to defend and when to work on unity. The best way to unify is to hold tightly onto the way of the Sahaabah's and the Salafi's ways anything but the ways of the true Salaf.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2010 14:12
Sorry but i dont understand the following:

"I hope you don't think of informing and warning members of this group about the dangers and influences of their ways as the type mentioned in the above post?"
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