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#46 [Permalink] Posted on 26th July 2012 13:54
have forwarded your suggestion to those who go for the observations. i guess theyd need a pretty good SLR camera ....
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#47 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2012 01:56
salaamualaykum,
bahi - I have heard that Shk Khaled Fikri is going to be refuting the 18 degrees opinion in an opoen Q&A on Islam channel tomorrow at 11am.

Can someone of knowledge please phone in and ask him:

If he is willing to take responsability on the day of Judgement for the muslims in the UK losing their fast by choosing the later time.

Even if there is difference of opinion - which there is not in this issue, surely we should advise the people to safeguard thier fasting - it is a pillar of the deen and it over rides unity on many fronts.

Allah knows best.
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#48 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2012 11:16

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salaamualaykum, bahi - I have heard that Shk Khaled Fikri is going to be refuting the 18 degrees opinion in an opoen Q&A on Islam channel tomorrow at 11am. Can someone of knowledge please phone in and ask him: If he is willing to take responsability on the day of Judgement for the muslims in the UK losing their fast by choosing the later time. Even if there is difference of opinion - which there is not in this issue, surely we should advise the people to safeguard thier fasting - it is a pillar of the deen and it over rides unity on many fronts. Allah knows best.

W-Salam,

This is his refutation of 18 degrees:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=i4syk4d525o

Its very general talk with no specifics but a lot of talk and opinions.

This is the Fatwa of Shaykh (Dr) Haitham Al-Haddad which sufficiently deals with it:

http://www.islam21c.com/fataawa/5696-imams-and-masjid-committees-must-inform-their-congregations-of-the-18-degrees-prayer-timing

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#49 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2012 18:50
QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN RAISED BY MANY.

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It appears to me that both sides have evidences & validity to their positions & it's a matter of choosing one or the other though this is legitimate Ikhtilaaf & a matter of both being correct.


Rather than make this a further point of dividing the Ummah, we may need to "live & let live" or "agree to disagree" as this is also permissible in Islam.


My understanding is that this topic does not have room for differences of opinion with regards to Subh Sadiq.

Your Input Please, Jazakallahu khair
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#50 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2012 03:37
Mufti Taqi Usmani wrote:

Keeping this in mind, the practice in Ramadhan in Darul Uloom Karachi is that Suhoor ends at 18 degrees whilst the
Adhan of Fajr is called out at after the sun reaches 15 degrees below the horizon. This is done on the basis of ط

ا
so as to enable practice on both the views of 18 and 15 degrees
. This is in the same context as appears in
numerous occasions in the classical texts of Fiqh, wherein a jurist regards practicing on a view which takes into
consideration and reconciles between differing views, as better (and not as necessary) to practice upon even though
it may be permissible according to that jurist to practice on the differing opinion.


wifaqululama. co . uk
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#51 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2012 11:48
The question I was trying to ask was; can there be two timings for Sehri, eg one at 18 degrees and one at 15 degrees and then both places say that it is permissible due to Ikhtilaaf and difference of opinion.

What I've understood is different and what you have quoted above can be very misleading as it is only half of the Fatwa.
www.wifaqululama.co.uk/home/281-mufti-taqi-saahebs-opinio...


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From: Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani
Sent: 21 August 2011 11:21
To:
Subject: RE: Suhoor & Fajar
Dear Molana Hanif Sahab
Assalamu alaikum
Thanks very much for your email.
There are some fundamental misunderstandings that have been narrated in the referenced article. The viewpoint of the scholars of Darul Uloom Karachi since the time of my honourable father, Hazrat Maulana Mufti Muhammad Shafee' Sahab (rh) has been that Subh Saadiq commences when the sun reaches 18 degrees below the horizon, implying that Sehri ends at this time and it is totally impermissible to eat even a morsel after this time for one who is fasting. Similarly, it also implies that the time of Fajr Salah commences at this time, meaning that any person
who performs his Fajr Salah at this time will not be required to repeat his Salah as it was performed validly in its time.
Keeping this in mind, the practice in Ramadhan in Darul Uloom Karachi is that Suhoor ends at 18 degrees whilst the Adhan of Fajr is called out at after the sun reaches 15 degrees below the horizon. This is done on the basis of Ihteyaat so as to enable practice on both the views of 18 and 15 degrees.
This is in the same context as appears in numerous occasions in the classical texts of Fiqh, wherein a jurist regards practicing on a view which takes into consideration and reconciles between differing views, as better (and not as necessary) to practice upon even though it may be permissible according to that jurist to practice on the differing opinion. I hope this has clarified the misunderstanding.

Wassalaam

Muhammad Taqi Usmani
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#52 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2012 13:58
ajeeb - Selective quotations :-)
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#53 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2012 14:02
They can be very misleading. I'm starting to think if guests should be allowed to post or not (admin, what do think on such delicate topics). The above qoute has half of the fatwa with the most important sentence missing.

Yep, Truly Ajeeb. and VERY selective.
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#54 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2012 14:14
I'm beginning to doubt all of the quotes posted by the guests.

No wonder brother Muadh went on to clarify further. May Allah reward him for his services, MashaAllah.
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#55 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2012 16:59

"Muadh" wrote:

Asslamo Allaikum,

Lets STOP the selective quotations, please.

There is ONLY ONE Deobandi Mufti in the entire world who has an opinion that Fajar starts at 15 degrees and it was Shaykh (Mufti) Rasheed Ahmed Ludhyanwi (RA) as quoted in Ahsanul-Fatawa. Here is the Fatwa from their Darul-uloom circulated on 12th of July (like every year) by Shaykh (Mufti) Sultan Alam email ([email protected]) to verify.

This Fatwa is endorsed by them and Darul-uloom Karachi (i.e. Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi & Rafi Usmani (HA)):

Jamia-tur-Rasheed and Darul-uloom korangi, Karachi, both institutes recommend that it is better to stop Suhoor at the time of 18 degrees and Make Azan and Fajr Prayer according to 15 degrees time.” Following emailing may be useful.


رمضان المبارک کی آمد کے ساتھ ہی کثرت سے یہ سوال پوچھا جاتا ہے کہ فجر کا وقت کیا ہے؟ مختصر جواب درج ِ ذیل ہے اور خاطرخواہ تفصیل منسلک مکاتبت میں ہے:
’’جامعۃ الرشید اور دارالعلوم کورنگی کراچی، دونوں ادارے بالاتفاق فجر کے وقت کے بارے میں یہ مشورہ دیتے ہیں کہ بہتر یہ ہے کہ سحری 18 درجہ کے وقت کے مطابق بند کردی جائے اور فجر کی اذان و نماز 15 درجہ کے وقت کے مطابق پڑھی جائیں۔ واللہ اعلم بالصواب
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#56 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd August 2012 00:54
Due to the misleading posts, members who have registered to post in the members research section will be able to post only.
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#57 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd August 2012 01:04
Theres a recent salaah times presentation given by Shaykh Fareed Patel that was uploaded to youtube yesterday . Please search youtube with 'SALAH TIMING USING 18 DEGREE BY MOULANA FARID PATEL'
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#58 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd August 2012 01:21
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#59 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2012 13:00
I actually think Guests/anonymous posters should be allowed on such threads. Guest posters sometimes post the questions/points that normal laymen (and even some considered knowledgeable) have in their heads wrt the salaah times and helal issues - yes their 'points' maybe quite poor, woefully researched, selective quoting and sometimes come purely from an emotional point of view (sometimes to protect the integrity of a certain individual or institute), but on every occasion, without exception, a full, clear, unambiguous and respectful answer is given (usually by bhai Muadh - may Allah reward him immensely).
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#60 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2012 13:10
I understand your point, but sometimes we read a half quoted fatwa and use that as evidence and pass it on and don't ever come back to take a second look. Especially if we are not regulars to this site.

I have witnessed some absurd posts to which I had given my opinion to let others know on other sites, but never really went back to check, simply because it was a random find.

The guests can sign up and use any name they want, at least they won't be recognized.

In delicate topics such as these, I don't think their posts should be allowed.

I am sure their intentions were not to mislead, rather to stress on 1 particular point.

Allahu alum.
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