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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2018 10:37

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Brother, I'm not sure boycotting Umrah is going to make a difference.

If he was 5th, there where is Mu'awiyah (RA) ranked?

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2018 10:45

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this is wrong....

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2018 10:57

Please stick to the current topic. Irrelevant posts, posts inciting a debate or disrespect towards another member will be removed without notice. Jazakumullah

Please only post relevant issues to the current topic, otherwise please start a new topic. Jazakumullah

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2018 11:46

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well this is what ulema say and tbh i dont really like it either. why would umar bin abdul aziz رضي الله عنه be called the 5th but not muawiya رضي الله عنه. but as for their statuses no one disputes muawiya رضي الله عنه being far superior. If i recall correctly i think someone either asked imam abu hanifa رضي الله عنه or maybe even umar bin abdul aziz رضي الله عنه himself about who is better and the reply was the dust that enter the nose of the horse of Muawiya رضي الله عنه is superior than umar bin abdul aziz رضي الله عنه.

I will try asking again why muwaiya رضي الله عنه is not considered as rightly guided khalifah, technically it was his son who became the 1st king as he inherited it due to who is father was were as muawiya رضي الله عنه was given it by hassan رضي الله عنه and the ummah were happy with that.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2018 11:52

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There are Hadith about the duration of the Rightly guided Caliph's. This includes the famous 4 and partially the Grandson of the Prophet (saw)

, when he gave up his khilaafat, that timescale also came to an end of the "Rightly guided Caliphs" the first 4 had completed their term in full. (Hence we say The 4 rightly Guided Caliphs, Allahu Alum)

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Who are the "Rightly-Guided Successors"?

Most of the commentators on this hadith state that the term "rightly guided successors" is a reference to Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthmaan and Ali Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡Ù…, who were the leaders of the Muslim community after the death of the Prophet ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù…. The Prophet ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù… knew that they would follow his teachings and his way. Hence, he guided his followers to follow their path. The proof for that position is the hadith of the Prophet ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù…, "The successorship (khilaafah) will last for thirty years among my Nation and then there will be a kingship after that."

When one adds up the terms of Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthmaan and Ali Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡Ù…, the total comes to thirty years. The khilaafah of Abu Bakr Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ was for two years and three months, the khilaafah of ' Umar Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ was for ten and a half years, the khilaafah of ' Uthmaan Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ was for twelve years, the khilaafah of 'Ali Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ was for four years and nine months. [At the end of this list, some also include the khilaafah of Imaam al-Hasan Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ that lasted only six months.]

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2018 12:29

yes but many ulema will call umar bin abdul aziz رضي الله عنه the 5th. that is my issue surely if there was a 5th it would be muawiya رضي الله عنه, he ruled by islam and was just. I think someone uploaded a talk on this very forum about the virtues of muawiya رضي الله عنه in which the imam said the earlier muslims said the greatest leader muslims had in terms of running the state affairs and administrative affairs was muawiya رضي الله عنه even over umar رضي الله عنه

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2018 13:39

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Do you mean Mujaddid or Mujtahid? Jzk

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2018 14:29

Imaam al-Hasan ibn 'Ali Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡Ù…Ø§ was the fifth rightly-guided caliph.

Shaykh Dr. 'Ali Muhammad as-Sallabi ØÙØ¸Ù‡ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ said,

"After allegiance was sworn to Ameerul Mu'mineen al-Hasan ibn 'Ali Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡Ù…Ø§, he remained the caliph of the Hejaz (the Western region of the Arabian Peninsula that includes Makkah and Madinah), Yemen, Iraq and other regions for approximately seven months (with some saying six or eight months). During that period, his caliphate was a Rightly-Guided Caliphate. This is because it was the completion of the era of the Rightly-Guided Caliphate, which the Prophet ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù… had said would last for thirty years before turning into a kingship.

Imam at-Tirmidhi Ø±ØÙ…Ù‡ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ narrated, with a chain going back to Safeenah Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡, the freed slave of the Messenger of Allah ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù…, that he said: 'The caliphate in my Ummah will last for thirty years; after that, it will become a kingship.' (A good hadith recorded by at-Tirmidhi)

Imaam lbn Katheer Ø±ØÙ…Ù‡ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ commented on this hadith: 'The thirty-year period was only completed with the caliphate of al-Hasan ibn 'Ali Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡Ù…Ø§. He gave up the caliphate to Mu'awiyah Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ in Rabee' I, 41 AH, and that was the completion of thirty years after the death of the Messenger of Allah ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù…, for he had died in Rabee' 1, 11 AH. This is one of the signs of his prophethood, may the blessings and peace of Allah be upon him.'

Thus, al-Hasan Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ was the fifth Rightly-Guided Caliph.

This was also narrated by Imam Ahmad Ø±ØÙ…Ù‡ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ from the hadeeth of Safeenah Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡: 'The caliphate will last for thirty years; after that, it will become a kingship.' (Recorded by Ahmad with a good chain of narrators.)

Imaam Abu Dawood Ø±ØÙ…Ù‡ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ narrated it as follows: 'The caliphate in the footsteps of prophethood will be thirty years; then Allah will give power and authority to whomever He wills, or will give His power and authority to whomever He wills.' (Recorded by Abu Dawood)

During the thirty years after his death, there were no rulers other than the four caliphs Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡Ù… and al-Hasan Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ for a brief period. A number of scholars commented on the Prophet's words ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù…, 'The caliphate in my Ummah will be for thirty years,' that the few months during which al-Hasan Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ ruled, following the death of his father Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡, are included in 'the caliphate in the footsteps of prophethood'. The following are some of those comments:

Imaam Abu Bakr ibn al-' Arabi (may Allah have mercy on him): 'Al-Hasan Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ fulfilled the true promise of the Prophet ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù…, who said: "The caliphate in my Ummah will be thirty years, and then it will become a kingship." That belonged to Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Uthman and 'Ali Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡Ù…, and al-Hasan Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ had eight months of it, no more and no less. Glory be to the All-Knowing, besides Whom there is no other Lord.'

Imaam Al-Qadi 'Iyad (may Allah have mercy on him): 'During the thirty years, there were no rulers other than the four Rightly-Guided Caliphs Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡Ù… and the few months during which allegiance was sworn to al-Hasan ibn 'Ali Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡Ù…Ø§. The hadeeth about the caliphate lasting for thirty years refers to "the caliphate in the footsteps of prophethood," as stated in some reports: "The caliphate in the footsteps of prophethood after me will be thirty years, and then it will become a kingship."' (Muslim)

Imaam Al-Hafidh Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him): 'The evidence that he was one of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs is the hadeeth which we narrated in Dalaa'il an-Nubuwwah via Safeenah Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡, the freed slave of the Messenger of Allah ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù…, according to which he said: "The caliphate after me will be for thirty years." The thirty years were only completed by the caliphate of al-Hasan ibn 'Ali Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡Ù…Ø§.'

Imaam Ibn Abil-'Izz al-Hanafi (may Allah have mercy on him): 'The caliphate of Abu Bakr Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ lasted for two years and three months, the caliphate of 'Umar Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ lasted for ten and a half years, the caliphate of 'Uthman Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ lasted for twelve years, the caliphate of 'Ali Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ lasted for four years and nine months, and the caliphate of al-Hasan Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ lasted for six months.'

Imaam Al-Mannawi (may Allah have mercy on him): He quoted the words of the Prophet ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù…: 'This son of mine is a sayyid, and perhaps through him Allah will reconcile two great groups of Muslims.' (Al-Bukhari) Then he said: 'That was when allegiance was sworn to him [al-Hasan Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡] after his father Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ was gone, and he became the legitimate ruler for a period of six months, which completed the thirty years which the Prophet ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù… said would be the length of time the caliphate would last, after which it would become kingship.'

Imaam Ibn Hajar al-Haythami (may Allah have mercy on him): 'He is the last of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡Ù…, according to the statement of his grandfather ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù…. He became the caliph after the murder of his father, with the oath of allegiance of the people of Kufa. He remained the caliph for six months and several days. He stayed in Kufa for six months and a few days as a legitimate caliph and a just and sincere ruler, fulfilling what his grandfather ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù… had said: "The caliphate after me will be for thirty years." Those six months were the completion of those thirty years. His caliphate is referred to in reports, and there is scholarly consensus concerning it, so there is no doubt about its legitimacy. Ahl as-Sunnah wal-Jama'ah believe that the caliphate of al-Hasan Ø±Ø¶ÙŠ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù†Ù‡ was legitimate and that it was the final part of the caliphate of prophethood that the Prophet ØµÙ„Ù‰ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ ÙˆØ³Ù„Ù… had foretold would last for thirty years.'"

Shaykh Dr. 'Ali M. Sallabi ØÙØ¸Ù‡ Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡, Al-Hasan Ibn 'Ali, His Life & Times (IIPH), pp. 202-205

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2018 15:39

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Jazak'Allah.

Mu'awiyah (RA) is still the second greatest leader in the history of Islam in terms how fast and far Islam spread.

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2018 22:42

Pop concert in Riyadh praising mujaddid mbs! Did anyone else know about this?

www.google.com/amp/s/www.alaraby.co.uk/english/amp/news/2...

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yes local maulana at my mosque went over this on saturday. worth a listen www.miftahuljannah.org.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2018 09:10

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2018 09:21

Please try here miftahuljannah.org/wphome/about-miftahul-jannah (link taken from Masjid e Umer)

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2018 12:24

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السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2018 12:27

I would have thought this concert and praising mbs on stage would have been a big controversy, but it seems the public don't know about or don't really care.

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