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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 19th July 2015 12:33
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The whole lecture is full of silly generic statements which can easily be refuted, not sure where to start and for that I'll have to take the whole bayan apart minute by minute, something I can't be bothered with really as I have aired my thoughts, view are above.


But I would still disagree with your DIY approach and no legit amil/raqi would agree with such things, as these things can very easily backfire.

If anyone needs to do ruqya then we actually have a legit thread on it with legitimate methods. Someone can post the link Insha'Ala.



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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 19th July 2015 12:48
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It will be very appreciated if you refute any of the silly statements of Mufti sb db as an example. I will not force you to do that for whole bayan INSHA'ALLAH.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 19th July 2015 12:52
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I have already aired/mentioned my thoughts in above posts in this thread, if anyone wants they can read them.

Read my above post 'clearly' alongside others .
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 19th July 2015 14:56
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Any one who will just read comments (specially who don't know urdu) will assume that Mufti sb db made big mistakes and wrong statements, whereas he didn't. I personally think that he has done a very good bayan, that can help cure people who are suffering with magic or ghost phobia.

There are many people, when Allah JJ puts them in some azmaish by sending some halaat, they instead of doing sabr and tawakkal alallah, start saying that someone has done something on them and start doing badgumani/badzani regarding fellow Muslims. And instead of turning towards Allah, start running behind amils.

Everyone should first listen to the bayan carefully and then make any conclusion regarding bayan.

I respect the views of Bro Jinn and believe that every one have right to disagree.

JazakAllah.
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 19th July 2015 20:01
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Its a pretty straightforward and towards the right direction talk. At most we can say there is some ghuloo in terming ALL those doing amaliyat as Pagal, although he accepts there are true ones but doesnt seem to tell about them at all.

His saying that how jinns are weak and to be dealt with is in conformity to what maulana salman nadvi has been reported to say in one of his bayans i came across on youtube.

I think the tone he adopted and the zeal was due to the current obsessive society and enviornment around him there in pak with these issues
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 19th July 2015 22:48
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The talk is BRILLIANTLY SPOT ON

Loved it coz it shows how deluded people can be and he just proved the Placebo effect ;)

Nice post op.
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 26th July 2015 00:51
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I've listened to a few of his bayaans now, ovarall it looks like he is against the concept of "professional amils". Listen to tonay totkay on youtube for more details.
Intrestingly he denies the whole concept of muakills and such. But he doesn't go into more detail. I have heard this term floating about; anybody know what they are and if there was no mention of it in the past why now?
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 26th July 2015 02:00
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 26th July 2015 09:11
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Jazakallah. I went through it, though there is no concrete answer to what is a muakil. Which scholors of the past mentioned them? Is there any mention of them in the times of ashab (rad iyallahu anhum)?

Also someone mentioned that some of them are angels, are'nt angels only supposed to do exactly what Allah (Swt) orders? I thought only man and jinn were given freewill?

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 26th July 2015 10:43
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Well good luck brother in finding something concrete in regards to this, because it's highly unlikely.

A lot of it is sufi hearsay and theories/stories and every person you ask in regards to this will tell you a whole new story. There is a lot of stuff out there that the shariah has not mentioned, but the examples and stories in regards to them is out there, how true walahualam.

However do try to read that book brother dr76 linked in that thread by Maulana Jalaludeen Sayyuti rahimullah, supposed to be a master piece on this topic. It's in urdu so not sure if it mentions anything in regards to what you're looking for.
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 26th July 2015 11:27
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Why waste time in this when it can be used to learn a lot of beneficial things.
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2015 14:57
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Sheikh Zulfiqar Naqshbandi - ALLAH IN AMILEEN SE BACHAAIN - MAY ALLAH SAVE US FROM THESE AMILS

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2015 16:47
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I have not listened to any of peer zulfiqar saabs bayans before but I know after listening to a few of Mufti Tariqs bayaans (which are very informative) that he considers professional amils to be either frauds or 'buzurgs' that have lost the plot. He does say that he knows that they are pious but begin seeing things or are easily fooled. He also does not recommend professional elaj, rather recitation of last two quls and maximum going to a pious person (not one who is known for amaliyaat) and asking him to do a dam.
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2015 17:23
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My personal reservations are:
1.Those who claim to have control over sahabi jinnaat. If they exist surely ashaab (ridhwaanullahu ajmaeen) deserve more respect even though they may be jinnaat?
2.Those that claim muakilaat to be angels.
3.The whole concept of muakilaat
a)Those that say they exist, where is the evidence?
b)Mufti Tariq says that they are seeing things, why are all the amils seeing the same thing?j
c)What are they even? I haven't had the same response or even a satisfactory one.
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2015 17:24
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Use, Misuse and abuse.

Medicines have use, misuse and abuse.

If some one falls ill, it is not against tawakkul to visit a doctor. Nor it is recommended to do ONLY sabr on halath, read ayah from quran etc. Inclusive of above actions, he shall visit a doctor and it is Wajib on the patient to take the prescribe medicine and to avoid foods told by the doctor.

Similarly, if a person is unfortunately caught with Sihr done by he enemy and it is diagnosed by a authentic saahir, countering the sihr has to be done. And self medication by reading ayah etc. shall not help.

but misuse and abuse by aamil or people who visit them, they shall be answerable on the day of qiyamah.

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