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#166 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 14:18

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Disgaree with???

He is calling "Allah Walay" Pagal! Are you out of your mind to think that he should be contacted?

1) Tell me Who is Allah Walah?
2) Give me ONE NAME from Ambiya, Sahabah, Ahlullah.
3) Let me then insert that name and say ABC (Astaghfirullah) is Paagal

How does the Bayan now?

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#167 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 14:20

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Your posts show you know very little about this field, however you make right comments or comments that are in the right direction. Me personally I have had a vast experience in this field sadly and to be honest I encountered the bad and the fakes and phoneys before I did the good. I've travelled and I've seen all kinds of methods, by no means an expert but alhumdulilah know much more now than I did before and Allah willing can tell between legitimate stuff and fakes. But that comes with time and experience.

Yes its true lack of iman and yakeen, but why though ? Shaykh Hasan Ali has mentioned in one of his talks, that the power of Surah Fatiha is still the same as it was 1400 years ago, why doesn't it work now ? Why do people read ayatul kursi and think something is going to happen and then it happens ? and then they say O I read Ayatul kursi. Shaykh mentions in the world today there is only probably a handful of people who have that power, and mentions the reason too and that is by doing constant sins they've blocked their spirituality and hence do not get the power of the Surah etc and this is why people go to professional amils who give stuff from Quran and Sunnah, but the stuff given will vary from person to person but the treatment is usually heavy dosage. I can tell you also another thing you know all these alims who bang on about yh morning and evening duas are enough ( it was mentioned on one of the sf threads and experience has also proved it ) and when you go to them and say shaykh there's a problem and they say oh its nothing maybe your vehem/doubt, have tawwakkul, do istigfar, read protection duas, to the extent of complletely writing someone off and making him feel hopeless (many brothers have experienced this ) when they themselves are aflflicted or their loved ones such as children, they are the first ones to run to the professional amils, what happened to morning and evening protection duas now, why not use falak and nas and istighfar now yourself like you advise the whole world ?

You might get Falak and Nas, but rather then 3 x 3 in morning and evening you'll be told to complete it 125,000 in a matter of 3 days in wudhu, so it will vary. Amaliyat is a vast field, true amaliyat is derived from Quran and Sunnah its principles anyway. But the numbers and the forms and ways are from personal experiences of Mashaykh and elders, im talking here about giants of deoband none of this new creed who at times are clue less in regards to this field. Our akabireen and ulema were once leaders in this field, what happened now it's virtually died out now, that's why we need Deobandi Ulema to step up their game. A recent example of a deobandi alim and amil who a lot of brothers rate is Shaykh Hasan Tai from Walsall I believe, but he's an old man and does not practice it no more

So I hope you see my point now why it's foolish and why me and brother dr 76 disagreed with this mufti sahebs comments in which he's tried to write off a whole science, fo further on this and why rather than go around in circles see my my reply to akhii Abu Mohammed especially the end part as this what this thread is about and the points I have been trying to convey www.muftisays.com/forums/41-speech--urdu/10272-truth-abou...

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#168 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 14:22

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la hawla wa la quwwata illa billa

Please see my last reply to you brother and please do understand the context in which I mean such a thing. Inshala the above post should clear everything.

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#169 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 14:26

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Astaghfirullah... If you used your common sense, you would have understood what he is saying, there is no need of explanation.

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#170 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 14:28

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This is the thing that I have been crying for last 15 pages. TAKE THINGS IN CONTEXT.

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#171 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 14:37

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Then why are you giving Fatway against Maulana Maududi (RA), he also says put things in context?

Where does your context go when you deal with Maulana Maududi (RA) and Jamaat-e-Islami?

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#172 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 14:52

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What about blanket statements that happen to write off a whole field ?

What context can be taken into account here. Sorry brother I can't accept ridiculous statements that are made by a sole alim especially when this field is not even his field of expertise. Apologies I've always stuck to the consensus and it's done me well so far.

Get off your hazrat worshipping high horse and come down to earth brother, the mufti was wrong to make blanket statements and he has erred here, that's all. Agree ? or are you still going to try to deny and tone it down ?

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#173 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 14:59

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Sorry what common sense ?

Common sense that he writes off a whole legitimate field of amaliyyat ?

Common sense that he brands ahlullah as pagal/lunatics ?

Common sense who further goes on to say ridiculous things, that they talk to themselves and go get damm done from someone who just spent 1 year in jamaat ? Really ?

Common sense who claims the nile was stopped by jinns/shayateen in the time of Umar ra , when nobody else has ever heard such a thing before ? People love telling stories and spicing it up, yet the mention of jinns have never been heard off in this story before. Still common sense ?

Common sense when he continues making riduclous statements and you still deny it despite brother dr76 transliterating the lecture and translating it ? Common sense when it was just me replying in this thread and you said its due to my weak comprehension of urdu, well brother's muadh and dr76 urdu is much better than mine.

Where's your common sense gone now ???

'Common sense eh'.

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#174 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 15:17

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Something maybe unrelated to the thread. How long does it take to do a wazifa 125000 times?

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#175 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 15:21

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Depends on the person's zeal, speed and capacity. When an amal is given there is usually a time limit, maybe 3 days etc.

NOTE : This was an example, I don't want people attempting this whatsoever.

My whole point is that such a science does exist and our Akabireen were masters of it and wrote books on it etc and these people dedicated their lives to Deen and its preservation, hats off to them for the job they did.

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#176 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 15:22

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Approximately?

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#177 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 15:24

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When an amal is given there is usually a time limit, maybe 3 days etc.

It's all dependent on how much the person can do and the severity of the case, so time limit will vary.

Someone maybe able to do it in a day someone else might take 3 day, someone else might take a week. Someone else might take longer.

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#178 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 16:01

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The Man Repeatedly..deliberately calls Ahlullah as Lunatics..and also clarifies for others what he Means by a "Pagal" (lunatic) clarifying further as Those who are found in Pagal Khana(Lunatic Asylum) and gives examples as to what their actions are. (As shown Here)

So now u want to change ur stand again after Agreeing Here That he was Wrong (for saying that) and should be Contacted..?

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#179 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 16:11

بسم الله الرحمن اللرحيم

Now lets see the approach of Hazrat Shaikh ul Hadith Maulana Zakariyya sahab رحمة الله عليه as mentioned in the post of bro SY1.

Hazrat Shaikh ul Hadith Maulana Zakariya رحمة الله عليه kept insisting its not my field. Does Hazrat Shaikh رحمة الله عليه not know How to read Surah Fatihah and blow over.. ? why did he refuse, insisting it was'nt his field..

As per the logic of this Mufti anyone can treat Jinnat, Sihr by sitting at home.. just by blowing some Surah.. while Hazrat Shaikh رحمة الله عليه insists its Not his field...

So we come to know that Amaliyat is Also something that is to be learn't and a Science in itself.. Just like there is a Huge institution of Batil Occult on the opposite side.

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#180 [Permalink] Posted on 8th August 2015 16:22

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You are having an issue with mufti sahb that his statements are generic........ But when quoting his statement you simply say that he calls ahlullah lunatics, here you yourself are forget this principle.
It is evident from his talk that he is trying to say that even a pious man who is tahajjud guzar, sees things that are not really present, he calls that person as "pagal" And you are making a generic statement that he calls ahlullah lunatic. I don't know that why you are not understanding this simple point?

If you had said that he calls those ahlullah (the word that he should not have used. upto pious it was ok) who did chillas (that amils do) etc which caused them to see things that are not actually present, as "pagal", this would have been somewhat true. But in all of your posts, to enforce your poing you have used a generic statement.

I have no issue if you disagree with him. The problem is what I have mentioned above.

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