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#241 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 15:39
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First tell that you agree that this bayan targets:
Present day + profession amils
Please be to the point. Just answer in yes or no.
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#242 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 16:24

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For the 2nd or 3rd time:

  1. The Bayan talks about someone who DOES NOT charge but even gives you money for treatment. Does this sound like a Professional to you?
  2. If you can have professional Muadhins, Professional Imams, Professional Chanda Collectors, what is wrong with a Professional Amil? Respond from Qur'aan & Sunnah
  3. When did this change occur? From which year did AMALIYAAT started making people CRAZY? Evidence of your research

BUT you keep dodging the subject.

I will get you a Deobandi who was into Amaliyaat (from the past) and maybe now all you need to is complete this statment
 

______________ is a Paagal (Lunatic)

Act on a Fatwa which you are defending, would you do so?

We can Insha'Allah discuss the technical aspects once you have ACTED on what you are DEFENDING, why are you so sacred? Go head and start calling people who follow Sunnah, pray Tahajjud Paagal, what is the problem?

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#243 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 16:34
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Man why are you scared to say this simple statement that the bayan is about:
PRESENT DAY + PROFESSIONAL AMILS

I am not dodging the statement, I have been making a single simple argument for last 15 pages. WHY CAN'T YOU SAY THIS SIMPLE STATEMENT. If you are afraid that I am trying to trap you, then no, I have no personal issues with you. I am a Jahil, and you being allama afraid of admitting such a simple statement?
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#244 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 16:50

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  1. HOW CAN SOMEONE WHO PAYS YOU INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR PAYMENT BE PROFESSIONAL?
  2. THEN, what is wrong with being a Professional Amil? Evidence for Qur'aan and Sunnah?
  3. THEN, When did this Modern/Current Era start? WHAT in this Modern/Current era causes people to be Lunatic? And this automatically proves that Amaliyaat were done in the Past

Plain, simple question in English

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#245 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 16:58
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HOW CAN SOMEONE WHO PAYS YOU INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR PAYMENT BE PROFESSIONAL?


I am amazed that You can't even understand this simple statement of Mufti Sahb... Every thing doesn't have to be taken in its dictionary meaning.....

I will answer next two questions if you admit that:
THE TALK IS ABOUT PRESENT DAY PROFESSIONAL AMILS.
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#246 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 16:59
Fu fu fu.

I never knew that a lecture becomes a fatwa by default.

fu fu fu.......

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#247 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 17:47

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For the 5th time...I disagree with the statement that it is about Professionals because of reasons explained many many times previously.

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What is the Lecture of a Mufti by default then?

  1. Pagalpan (Lunacy)
  2. Bae'waqofi (Sillyness)
  3. Himaqat (Stupidity)
  4. Muhmil Baat (Random Statement)

Why can't you do simply PUT what you are DEFENDING in practise? I will provide you with names and you simply complete the statement:

_____________ is Paagal (Lunatic)

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#248 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 17:57
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For the 5th time...I disagree with the statement that it is about Professionals because of reasons explained many many times previously.


So at-least you agree that there are some Professional Amils and their is a difference between those who do amilyaat. Some have taken this as their specialization. Right??
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#249 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 18:01
No one is gonna write an aslaaf as a pagal. Can I have my turn now please?
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#250 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 18:08

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Part 1:

For the 6th time, this Bayan is not about Professional BUT its about ANYONE doing Amaliyyat because it is clear from these words:

چهٹی بار ایک ہی بات کہ رہا ہوں کہ یہ بیان پروفیشنل نهیں بلکہ ہر قسم کی عامل کے خلاف ہے

08:48:

Bhai kya hogaya kis tarah se main samjhaun.. ye baat main ghol ke dimagh me utarun.. to in ruhani ilaaj walon ko khwa vo kitne hi buzurg ho.. ye buzurg ho sakte hain nek ho sakte hain Thajjud guzaar bhi hosakte hain.. Allah wale bhi hosakte hain.. baaz taweez ke paise bhi nahin lete Ruhani ilaaj se.. balke paise dete bhi nahin.. sab kuch hosakte hai.. Magar pagal saare hote hain.. ye bata doon aap ko..

Translation:

Brother, what has happened.. How shall I make you understand?. How do I stir this matter in your minds. That those who practice Ruhani Ilaaj (Amaliyat), Howsoever Buzurg they might be. They could be Buzurg, They could be Pious.. Those who pray Tahajjud. They could be Ahlullah. Some even do not take any money for spiritual treatment or may even give money. All such are possible. Yet All of them are Lunatics. iam making this clear.

Part 2:

First prove that being a Professional Amil is wrong, why is it?

پهلے یه ثابت کیجئے کہ پروفیشنل عامل ہونا کوئ خلاف شرعئ بات ہے اور کیوں؟

اگر پروفیشنل امام ، پروفیشنل موذن وو سکتا ہے تو پروفیشنل عامل ہونا کیوں برا ہے؟

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#251 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 18:11

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Not Aslaaf I have already dropped the name of Sahabi, I will give them names of PAST & CURRENT Deobandees who are Amils, please complete this statement

_________________ is a Paagal (Lunatic)

Why not? They are defending this Fatwa?

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#252 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 18:16
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What does the phrase "Rohaani ilaaj walay"

I myself do amliyaat, Am I also ROHAANI ILAAJ WAALAA??

First solve one problem, then we can move onwards insha'ALLAH.
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#253 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 18:17
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Naseehat?

I see this thread going round in circles and will be locked if and when asked by thread opener.

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#254 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 18:21
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You can understand the stupidity of opposing group, their throwing lies on Mufti sb. But don't worry I will not let them free to mock and insult a ba amal mustanad alime deen. inshaALLAH....
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#255 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 18:30

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  1. You define Rohani Ilaj Walay
  2. I will provide with you a name
  3. You then complete this sentence

______________ is a Paagal (Lunatic)

Is that a fair deal?

Go ahead, insert your definition.

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