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#211 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 08:59

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Brother, why are you repeatedly asking them to fill the blank with a name of a sahabi (ridhwanullahu ajmaeen)?
a)it is illogical because the mufti did not refer to a sahabi
b)the maqaam of a sahabi is far higher than any buzurg

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#212 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 09:21

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Read the post again from the bottom up this time.

What do you understand?

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#213 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 09:27

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Finally you are trying to answer something indirectly at least.

1) Do you agree with his opinion that EVERY SINGLE person in the present time becomes a Lunatic by doing Chilla?

Where is the evidence?

Secondly, does it automatically prove that people in the past did the same but didn't become Lunatics?

The challenge to you remains the same I will give you categoric proof of Deobandees who did Chilla, you call them Lunatics....Why can't you do that?

The discussion about Sahaba came up after your friend introduced a Sahabi as drunkard while defending a "Mufti", did you miss that?

Who is Gustakh me or him?

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#214 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 09:56

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Okay, you are asking him to fill the blank in with the particular sahabi (radhiyallahu anhu) that asaghir was talking about. But even then the bayaan was not referring to a sahabi (ridhwanullahu ajmaeen). @asaghir i dont know why you are making this point but I think the argument from this angle should be dropped from both of you because a) the bayaan was not referring to a sahabi (ridhwanullahu ajmaeen) b) it is at the least very disrespectful

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#215 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 10:14

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Alhamdulillah you got the point that mufti sahb is talking about present day professoinal amils (both pious or fraud) and his claim is that due to chillas willas they have lost the balance of mind. Also Mufti sahb said that he can prove his claims by clear cut dalail and he can even name them but due to fear of fitnah he isn't naming them while on mimbar. May be he can tell you if you ask him. I bear no responsibility of his claims although I trust and accept what he is saying.

Again reminding you that this discussion is about the bayan of Mufti sb db, so we will see what Mufti sahb says about our akabir:
Hamaray akaabir ka maamool ye thaa k Quran or Hadees per mushtamil taweez dai dya kartay thai magr aam tor per istimaal nahe kartay thay. Daitay is lye thai k kamzor imaan wala admi hai hm ne ni dya to shirkiya taweezon walay k paas chala jai ga. Wo pata nahe us main Ya Rasoolullah madad likh dai, Ya Jibreel madad likh dai to chalo hm ne koi Quran ki ayat likh di koi tauheed ka mazmoon likh dya latka dy shirk se bch jai ga is niyat se dete thai magr istimaal.... bolo bhai... Main bhi baaz dafa ta'weez de deta hun. Koi shakhs aya ye hai filaana hai dimkaana hai jin bhoot churailai aa rahay hain bhoot aa rahay hain mukhtalif qism k chal bhi ye likha ye latka dai galay main lekin alhamdulillah na apnay kabhi latkaya na apnay bacho k na ghar walo k na khandaan main kisi fard kay... chahay jinn he q naa aatay hn. hamaray bh aik sahab khandaan main jin pe jinn hai. Magr main ne un k bhi........ Main ne kaha wese he nikl le yahan se. Samajh main aa rahi hai baat, wese he chala jaa.....

AND MAKING IT CLEAR THAT I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COMMENTS OF ANY THIRD PERSON. SO THE COMMENT REGARDING SAHABA RDA SHOULD BE REFERRED TO ITS COMMENTER NOT ME.

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#216 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 10:21

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Brother abdullah are you willing to meet or phone mufti saab?

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#217 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 11:07

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I personally never met him, nor phone called him. My friend Molana calls him frequently. There is a chance that I visit Karachi in near future insha'Allah. If I get a chance I will meet him insha'Allah, but surely I will not ask him about these professional amils, as I have no interest in the subject. He said in his bayan that:

Agr aap in chakro main paray k fulaan jaga aik buzurg baithtay hain wo kuch aesa parhtay hain to khudaa ki qasm qyaamat tk in chakro main paray raho gai or is bhawar se bahar nahi niklo gai

I accept his precaution and will never run behind amils insha'Allah. That's what I extracted from the bayan and surely this was the main purpose of his bayan...............

If anyone want to ask him, his mobile number is given on his website. muftitariqmasood.com

Jazakumullah.

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#218 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 11:41

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Not sure as to why exactly you posted a Sahabi's name in the first place, was that your daleel or something that you were trying to use to pass off that ahlullah's can be drunk and therefore the use of the word 'pagal' can be used on them ? Please do elaborate ?

Secondly op has failed to provide any evidence whatsoever,his every point has been refuted so far heavily in this thread, fails to answer any questions addressed to him, then goes on to post more clips of a scholar who's field is not this and who's been heavily criticised for blanket statements, I'm sure we'll agree here that's foolish right ?

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#219 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 11:46

I think brother Muadh and dr76 are wasting their time now personally speaking, 15 pages gone and op is still not budging, reminds me of your typical desi guy not his fault I guess ( apologies for the generalisation but I have found this to be true offline as well ) when they have made their mind up on something you can argue day and night and present information in loads of different ways but they'll refuse to even budge no matter what angle you approach it from. Another 15 pages will go and he still won't budge, just how a lot of them are nothing personal op. A generalisation I know but a pretty much true one that is valid in most scenarios and is quite common.

Wasting your time guys, guy is an expert coz he heard a bayan or two on the subject by a scholar who's not even from the field lol, Yeah we'll just ignore all the rest and what else has been said and proof has been provided by means of names of scholars and their works, way to go man.

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#220 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 11:57

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NOT HIS FIELD??? So a mufti has got to be amil to refute amil?? Really hilarious....

Can you simply tell in one line that what was the point of argument between me and the you three guys???

By the way, ALL EUROPEAN DEOBANDEES TOOK THEIR DEEN FROM DAISEES. . .

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#221 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 12:21

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That can't be an argument and can be applied to anyone.

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#222 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 12:44

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Just my personal experience that I have found to be very very true so not surprised by ops logic and responses.

No doubt not all are like that but majority yes.

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#223 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 12:49

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The scholar should the very least know what he's talking on about rather than make blanket redundant statements. Why do you think 'majlis' is not accepted on this forum ? It's only because of the inconsistency in fatwas, for further info on this you can see the relevant thread.

All you had to do was say okay I disagree with you guys and I believe mufti saheb didn't mean it in that sense when you he used pagal, however he was wrong to write off a whole legitimate field whom many akabireen of deoband were masters off. End off but you went on one for 15 pages coming out with all sorts when that's all you had to say, but to arrogant to budge like majority of your kind, understandable though.

p.s. not a Deobandi, but have high regards for the 'akabireen' of Deoband :) so relax again before you judge again and make a fool out of yourself :)

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#224 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 12:51

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but you cant use that as an argument. Using your medicene the initial deobandi ulama were desis. Were they ziddi as well?

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#225 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 12:55

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Who said I used it for all ?

I said 'not all', read again.

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