His credential is that he is a Mufti graduated from Jamia Tur Rasheed and from which no asathidha have negated or condemned his remarks (to my knowledge).
Your Mufti sahab says Ahullah are Lunatics.. Those who write books on Amaliyat are cheats and Lunatics..
Hazrat Maulana Anzar Shah Kashmiri رحمة الله عليه writes in the foreword of Book Ganjin e Asrar ( A Book on Amaliyat written by the Muhaddith Hazrat Maulana Anwar Shah Kashmiri رحمة الله عليه ) that Hazrat Maulana Syed Asghar Hussain Deobandi رحمة الله عليه and Hazrat Maulana Syed Abid Hussain رحمة الله عليه were renowned Amils of the time..
And what about those Mashaikh of Deoband who books on Amaliyat.. were Amils.. are all of them Lunatics.. cheats and know nothing as per the criteria of this Mufti..?
Why should I? He clearly says that it is a figment of imagination. I am asking you because bro jinn says you know a lot about this stuff. And I still don't know what they are?
And why are you being so sarcastic for. I am not here to offend you rather to learn.
I am sorry if I have caused any offence.
Title: The reality of Jadu/Sihr (blackmagic) and Jinn in Islām
Question
What does sharia says about jadu (black magic) and Jinnat, whereby it is prevailing in our society and families are really in deep troubles and strongly trying to follow Taweez from maulanas coming from more specially India/Pakistan etc.
They ask us to open a page from Qur’aan shareef, that he will translate and will say something about our problems. Recently a wife was told few very bad things happening to her in the presence of a husband and on hearing all sort of things, a husband was grossly unhappy and they both had hot tempered arguments.
Now I am requesting for more knowledge and guidance over this matter.
Secondly is it permissible to engage such treatment of taawiz for some body in the family without his/her permission and knowledge.
Answer
In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
As-salāmu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullāhi wa-barakātuh.
The presence of Jādū/Sihr (black magic) and Jinn is undoubtedly common in the world. It cannot be entirely negated and overlooked because the Qur’ān and Ahādīth also to allude to the different aspects regarding this. Further, the precautionary measures to be adopted against the evils of these aspects and the cure for those who have been afflicted have also been mentioned in the Qur’ān and Ahādīth.
As far as Sihr (black magic) is concerned, Rasulullāh Sallallāhu Alayhi Wa Sallam was also afflicted by this. A Jew by the name of Labīd Ibn A’sam carried out black magic on him by tying eleven knots in a few strands of his sacred hair and placing it under a rock in an unused well.
This affected Rasulullāh Sallallāhu Alayhi Wa Sallam in such a way that it created uncertainty in his mind as to whether he had done a certain action or not. Allāh informed him through revelation of this Sihr (black magic).
As far as the Jinn are concerned, they are one of the Divine creations of Allāh. They, like human beings, have a physical form, intellect and senses, but are hidden from the human eye. The existence of Jinn is established by conclusive and incontestable evidence in the Qur'ān and Sunnah.
Allāh says in the Qur’ān:
“And certainly We have created mankind from sounding clay made of decayed mud. As for Jinn, We had created them earlier from the fire of the scorching wind.”
The creation of Jinn was well before that of humankind and they had wreaked havoc in the earth right from the beginning. Allāh alludes to this in the Qur’ān:
“Remember when your lord said to the angels, ‘I am going to create a deputy on the earth.’ They said, ‘Will You create there one who will spread disorder on the earth and cause bloodshed, while we proclaim Your purity along with your praise, and sanctify your name?’”
This was after the angels had witnessed the mischief of the Jinn on earth. However, just as humans, Allāh has created Jinn for his obedience and subservience. Allāh says:
“And I have not created Jinn and human beings except that they worship me.”
However, as is the case with humankind, there are those that are obedient to Allāh and those that are disobedient. It is these disobedient ones that cause mischief in on earth. They have the potential of harming humans. However, one should not be fearful of Jinn.
It is the fear that people have of them that gives them the courage to cause mischief and harm. The people of Arabia would live in great fear of these Jinn before the advent of Islām. It was customary in the days of ignorance that when people halted in a jungle or valley in the course of a journey, they uttered the following words, believing that the leader of the valley (a Jinn) would protect them:
“I seek refuge in the leader of this valley from the foolish mischief-makers of his nation.”
Allāh discusses this in the Qur’ān:
“And some individuals of the humans would seek refuge in some individuals of the Jinn, and thus they (humans) increased their (Jinn’s) mischief.”
Islām distances itself from such a level of fear and belief in the Jinn that they are superior to humans and humans should remain fearful of them. The mischief and evils of Jinn cannot be negated. However, it is inappropriate to attribute every unusual occurrence, illness and difficulty to the Jinn.
Sihr (black magic) and the Jinn are most definitely effective. However, it should be noted that every illness, discomfort and calamity cannot attributed on Sihr (black magic) as is the common practice of people nowadays. It should be born in mind that whilst Sihr (black magic) is effective in nature, it is not as common as people consider it to be.
Often people afflicted with medical issues tend to turn towards an Aamil, totally neglecting the medical aspect. It is incumbent that one exhausts all medical treatment before turning towards ascertaining whether it is the effect of Sihr (black magic) or not.
Furthermore, the practice of curing people of the effects of Sihr (black magic) has become a commercial practice and many incompetent Aamils have taken up the practice. Hence, one should be wary of the legitimacy of the Aamils as they tend to untruthfully diagnose people with having effects of Sihr (black magic), in the process accusing others of having carried out the Sihr (black magic). This often causes animosity and disputes amongst close families.
In curing oneself, one is not bound to engage an Aamil to do so. Shari’ah has educated us on a number of practices that one may adopt on his own in trying to alleviate Sihr (black magic). The following are methods that one may adopt:
- Recitation of Surah Falaq and Surah Nās, blowing on the hands and thereafter rubbing them on oneself. Nabi Sallallāhu Alayhi Wa Sallam would do this during illness and before retiring to bed.[5]
These Surahs were revealed as a cure after the Jew, Labīd Ibn A’sam, had bewitched Rasulullāh Sallallāhu Alayhi Wa Sallam.
Hadhrat Ā’isha Radhi Allāhu ‘Anhā narrates that whenever the Rasulullāh Sallallāhu Alayhi Wa Sallam would become ill, he would recite the Mu’awwizat (Surah al-Falaq and Surah an-Nas) and blow over himself. When his illness was aggravated, I used to recite these two Surahs (and blow my breath) over him and make him rub his body with his own hand, for its blessings.” [6]
- Recitation of the first three verses of Surah Mu’min/Ghafir and Āyat-ul-Kursī every morning and evening.[7]
- The reading of the Manzil (by Hadhrat Maulānā Muhammad Zakariyyā Kandhalwī) has proven to be extremely effective for protection against the evil influence of Jinn, Sihr (black magic), and other evils. It contains only verses of the Qur'an.
Allāh Ta’ala says in the Qur'ān:
وَنُنَزِّلُ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ مَا هُوَ شِفَاءٌ وَّرَحْمَةٌ لِّلْمُؤْمِنِيْنَ. [8]
“And We have revealed in the Qur'ān that which is a cure and mercy for the believers.”
Recitation of the following du’ās prescribed in the Ahādīth:
Transliteration: “Bismillahi-lladhi La Yadhurru Ma’asmihi Shay’un Fil Ardhi Wa La Fis-Samaa’i Wa Huwas-Samee’-ul-‘Aleem.”
Translation: “In the name of Allāh with virtue of whose name nothing in the earth nor the skies can harm. He is the ever-hearing and most knowledgeable.”
Transliteration: “A’uudhu Bikalimaatillahi-ttammaati Min Sharri Mā Khalaq.”
Translation: “I seek protection of Allāh’s perfect words from every evil that He has created.”
The eating of Ajwah dates has also been prescribed in the Hadīth. Rasulullāh Sallallāhu Alayhi Wa Sallam said, “One who eats seven ‘Ajwah dates in the morning shall not be harmed that day by any poison or Sihr (magic).” [11]
The famous Tabi’ī, Ka’b al-Ahbār Radhi Allāhu ‘Anhu mentions, “Had it not been for a few phrases that I recite (regularly), the Jews would have turned me into a donkey (through black magic). He was asked, “What are these phrases?” He replied:
Transliteration: “A’uuzu bi wajhillāh al-Adhīm alladhi laysa shay’un a’dhamu minhu wa bi kalimatillāh at-tammaati allati la yujawizuhunna barrun wa la faajir wa bi asmaa-illāh al-husnaa kullihaa ma alimtu minha wa ma lam a’lam min sharri ma khalaqa wa bara’a wa dhara’a.”
Translation: “I seek the protection of Allāh the Great; He, than whom there is nothing greater. And I seek the protection of the perfect words of Allāh which no man, virtuous or evil, can even transcend; and I seek the protection of all the beautiful names of Allāh, those of them which I know and those which I do not know, from the evil of everything He (Allāh) created, to which He has given existence, and which He has spread (over the earth).” [12]
The wearing of a Ta’weez (amulet) that contains Āyāt of the Qur’ān or the names of Allāh or a du’ā mentioned in the Hadīth.[13] However, the Āyāt of the Qur’ān and those du’ās that are mentioned in the Ahādith are more effective and beneficial than the wearing of a Ta’weez.
Whilst at times it may be necessary to employ the services of a Aamil, it should be ascertained that he is reliable, competent and he abides to Shari’ah in his practice of curing people. In such times of moral corruption, there are many Aamils who are unconcerned of maintaining Shar’ī practices in their work.
Shari’ah has given permission of engaging in treatment through Ruqyah - which is one of the most common ways Aamils adopt in curing the afflicted. Ruqyah refers to the recitation of verses or words followed by blowing on a person. Ruqyah is permissible with the following conditions:
- No such words are recited which constitute Kufr or witchcraft.
- It is in a language that is generally understood by the people. It is preferable to recite in Arabic, specifically verses of the Qur’ān, du’ās from the Ahādīth and the attributes of Allāh.
- one has faith that the Ruqyah in itself is not effective but Allāh has placed the effect of curing in it.[14]
As far as engaging in the treatment of a family member without his consent is concerned, it is not advisable to do so as it may lead to unwanted problems and quarrels in the family. The concerned family member should be advised, firstly, to undergo medical treatment and if that fails, then he/she should be advised to try any of the abovementioned methods of treatment.
if u can read urdu there is a book bro jinn has quoted in this thread written by Imam Jalaluddin Suyuti رحمة الله عليه
u shall find answers to many of ur questions there
kindly have a look..
its late night here and im logging out for now.. so kindly excuse me..
Wow, this thread has really gone to hell hasn't it?
Sorry, but the repeated requests of "tell this man to repent" are honestly laughable. This isn't some "dude" on the internet. He is the esteemed student of Mufti Rasheed Ahmad Ludhyaanvi. No `aalim has raised objection to this talk of his as far as I know.
I think the following post is possibly the most sensible one in this thread.
Yasin wrote:
I completely agree 100%
I completely agree with the audio in the OP 100%
No one is talking about real Sihr and the need for Amils to rid it safely. This is about the amount of Tawakkul on pieces of paper and cloth that's tied around the arm like Hindus or around the neck. And putting almost every little problem down to Jadoo and instantly ending up at the door of a "Molvisaab"
I know a few people who spent almost 10,000 POUNDS (GBP) on a non-existing problem.
So please stop disliking Abdullah1's post. He has not said anything about treating the effects of real Sihr.
Yes there may be a few genuine Amils, but the need for frauds is so high and it's the common people's madness that's causing this. It's too rampant
I suppose Maulana Yasin should "repent" now also, since he 100% agrees with the talk.
It's getting late here. I'll be back tomorrow to count the number of dislikes on my post, insha'Allah.
Did you listen to the lecture posted in op and read all the comments ??
If you haven't and don't know much about amaliyat/sihr etc then I will request you and others to not make silly statements,jazakallah.
In regards to your statement he is a student of Mufti Rasheed rahimmullah, is that honestly a daleel ? really ? come on man. To bad student take nothing out of his ustaadhs life before making such general generic statements.
Also you've said you don't know any alim who doubted his statements, how many alims do you actually know in person ?
I however would like to repeat this agani: If you haven't and don't know much about amaliyat/sihr etc then I will request you and others to not make silly statements and stay out of matters you don't know about ,jazakallah.
Bro are you here for the giggles or something ? because reading your posts it seems that way.
For you I would like to repeat as well, only comment if you've heard the lecture and know about amaliyat/sihr etc otherwise please don't.
In regards to the above comment, let me ask you something, have you ever personally dealt with severe sihr ( and by that I don't mean that you had a nasty headache one day, fell down the stairs, or had a random bad day, or had a doner from a unknown place and got the runs for the next few days ) So have you or know anyone who has ?
Let's say you know someone who has for instance..how many have been able to deal with it just through falak and nas ?? Please tell me ?
Shifa is in Surah Fatiha and their is no denial to that, you can even say Bismillah or the name of Alllah and get shifa if said with conviction and sincerity and firmness, there's a few reasons to why it's not working and i'm not going there yet.
Point is how many try and how many get shifa ? Sadly there might be only a handful of people who can just read Fatiha in the world right now and get shifaa, doesn't work for everyone my brother and many many try without getting no where. But what does work is heavy doasge and that's prescribed and often needed and then it begins to work somewhat but dependent on other things.
As to why then that's a different story altogether.
There was a time when mashaykh of old could just by looking at you remove your sihr, why doesn't happen no more ? Why isn't once falak and nas and fatiha enough ? Why is that you might be reading on yourself and it's having no effect ? We can't say there is no power in Quran, because it's the same as it was 1400 years ago, why is that when Abdullah bin Masood ra read an ayah in a person's ear, some say he killed the jinn by reading one ayah and by blowing and some say he removed his jinn, why doesn't one ayah like that work today ?
All valid questions.
As to why, there's a few reasons but that's a different topic. So yh I hope my comments make sense now.
Bhai Abu Muhammed.. i spent about 5 hrs or more yesterday.. typing out word by word what this Mufti said.. taking care not to add any word by myself or deduct any.. then translated it without distorting any meaning or attempting to add anything from my own.. in outmost Neutrality.. what u have mentioned above is your own distorted summary.. while The Truth lies open before us..
Jazakallah for your efforts, I know what it's like to do such a task as I've also done similar in the past.
Khair, many people hear the same thing and understand them differently to their capacity. (just like the sahaba did upon getting specific instructions from the prophet )
MashaAllah, yourself and brother Jinn are more experienced in this field so your understanding will be from a different perspective.
Khair, inshaAllah when one day I am able to find the lecture by Shaykh Riyadhul Haq and others who practically say the same thing in a respectable manner, then inshaAllah others will interprett he talk another way.
I'm not doubting the narration and apologies if you think that's what I meant.
-Firstly regardless of its grading according to Salafis/Madhkalis, its an event like bro Muadh pointed out to me ( made a thread about it on this forum you might remember ) and events don't have the same gradings as ahadith
- Secondly this is very commonly narrated story something I have heard in many mosques and places since I was a kid
- Thirdly and most importantly never have I ever heard the mention of jinns in relation to the story, if you have then please let us know ? Also you've posted the whole nile event no where does it mention any jinns ? Sahaaba ra weren't shy to talk about jinns, if such a thing had actually happened, don't you think we would know about it ? Where is the proof about jinns ?
When people tell stories they love to spice it up and add flavour to it and this would have been perfect lol, but sadly no mention till yet, might take off now since mashala it's been mentioned by this mufti now.
Also brother I would just like to make a few things clear as it seems we're going in circles now...
The issue is not with fake amils/phoneys etc but with the branding of ever amil as a fake/phoney and what we have been trying to show from the last few pages that a legitimate science of amaliyat does exist and we've even given names of Ulema and books they wrote and these ain't no little ulema who are unheard off but big timers who are the akabireen of Deoband.
In regards to fakes then you already know were also extremely against their views and practices and this is evident from other thread such as Noor Zaman Shazlis etc. The crux of the matter is that Mufti sahebs views came across really really generic and he's basically tried to write off a whole science, just because not many practice amaliyat no more or it doesn't make sense to the new deobandi ulema creed because that's the truth sadly not even many know about it. It doesn't mean it don't exist, that's our main point hope that make's sense ?
This cannot be undone and I am sure it will be greatly appreciated.
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