Why Are Muslims Leaving Islam?

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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 1st January 2016 22:59

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You'll find them in the media representing Muslim's unfortunately.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd January 2016 05:51

I took a longish detour to have an academic perspective on today's problems before Muslim Ummah and sort of got cut off from the social and cultural environment. Having, in a way, completed that detour I am just trying to smell the coffee. It is nice to be back to reality.

Masha Allah this is a good topic for discussion. I am feeling just like SF of four years ago.
The video is from 2014 but it is completely relevant. I had seen earlier a post by a brother on Facebook where he gave the data that 23 % American have opted for no religious affiliation. Then brother Muadh Khan posted the same data here somewhere on MS. The report is there on Septemeber 14, 2015 Washington Post.

Shaikh Hamza Maqbool introduces the issue by a whack citing quantum mechanics to the effect that God, Astaghfirullah, was not relevant anymore. I shall take up that angle in the next post in this thread itself.

First of all the issue between brother xs11as and Hafiz Sulaiman Sahab. they are talking about complementary aspects and hence both are absolutely correct in their realms, regions, areas. even if their assertions look contrary to each other. globally we do have more Dawah, Tabligh, Madrasa presence as well as implementation of Islam. Historically we never had so many Hajis on the planet or in Makkah during Haj.
Yet the problem of Irtidad is most alarming today.

What has happened that the western onslaught on Islam is bearing fruit today when west herself has lost her bearings completely. For the practical purpose west means the Christian and Jewish world today, or their atheistic inherotors today. Geographically it is Europe, US and Australia. The christian world was antagonistic to Islam from day one and soon it showed its most ugly face in the crusades. Islam and Muslims triumphed over them and we also made stupendous progress in science.

then we somehow left science and the Europe and hence the western world had their social and cultiral revolution resulting in science and technology and hence military and economic and hence political might. They again used their might against Islam and Muslims. Liquidated half a dozen of our very powerful Empires and completely colonized our lands.

They tried to snatch away our faith. First they used Christian preachers and today they are using their material wealth combined with academic, intellectual and media disseminated propaganda. This latest weapon is most potent. The west, in the meantime, has lost their own Christian faith but their enimity towards Islam and Muslims they have not lost.

Muslims survived with their faith intact till today.
In reality we have been in a state of shock for having lost our status as builders of Empires after Empires.
Now our youth is increasingly feeling trapped by the charm, shine, luster and sheer power of material wealth possessed by the west.

If the arab world has its own petro wealth then the western way of life has a lot to offer - cars, cell phones, computers, luxury holidays, clubs, Christmas, alcohol, bars, drugs, so called open society with free mixing, movies, television, dating, girls, sex - the buffet is incredible, vast, broad band, with enormous variety, luscious seduction, suvave hospitality, thousand watt smile, charming and irrestible in spite of its ruthlessness and cut throat impersonality.

I suppose This much should be sufficient for the moment.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd January 2016 07:59

on Quantum Mechanics

The Shaikh relates the incident where a so called former Muslim tells him that he left Islam because modern Physics, specially Quantum Mechanics, has made God obsolete. He cited the case of a particle being at two different places at the same time. Shaikh denied this assertion and the Shaikh is in the right. The so called former Muslim got it wrong.

This type of view that quantum mechanics says that a particle can be at two places at the same time is very actively propagated by the western scientific community, the people who discovered this subject. In reality their findings are slightly different. One finds that a particle has a probability distribution for its location. that is entirely different from being there. we can do the experiment and determine the position. It will be found to be at one of those locations where it is probably supposed to be.

We Muslims, in fact all those who have any kind of faith, can understand Quantum Mechanics as compared to the majority of scientific establishment that consists of atheists.

For us it is an issue but not an impossible one that the position of a particle can have a probability distribution.

The atheists find it absolutely confusing and they compound their confusion further by introducting extra complications. This particle being at two locations at the same time is one such extra complication.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd January 2016 12:53

Here is a longer lecture on Atheism by Shaykh Hamzah that he delivered on 12/31/2015.
mixlr.com/masjid786/showreel/aetheism-by-moulana-hamza-ma...

It discusses modernism and and postmodernism.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 4th January 2016 11:02

A good discussion brothers. There are a number of reasons why murtads are on the increase and most of the reasons have been mentioned earlier. I shall only list those aspects that have not been covered;

1. Muslims loss of political/economic power. The fact that Muslim lands and countries have almost lost polical/economic power effects those whose imaan is weak. We see Muslims lands in chaos and relative stability in Non-Muslim lands. This effects people
2. The media and the constant demonisation of the Muslims. Most people want an easy life and today the media has made it hard to appear to be a Muslim. In communist countries where many Muslims became murtad people were forced to change names. The same situation is occuring in many parts of the world where a Muslim name is asking for trouble
3. The education system. A lengthy topic best left to maripat
4. Intellectual onslaught which Muslims have not countered due to our poor education system in both deeni and dunyawi terms.
5. Muslims living as minorities in areas which are not under their rule. Muslims have hardly lived as minorities without political power. We would be hard pressed to find successful examples of this.

With regards to murtad rates increasing then this is not correct if one looks at the overall Muslim ummah. The greatest rate of murtad rates was probably under communism where whole areas of central asia, russia, balkans, china were forcibly indoctrinated and converted into atheism. There was also the tide of arab nationalism, baathism but this resulted in less murtads than communism. This was from around 1950-1980
Also if one looks at the number of people who are religious after the 1980s in comparison to the 1950-1980s generally after 1980s people became more religious.

The number of huffaz, people involved in jamaat, ulema,madrasahs, masjids is probably more now then in the 1950s in terms of numbers and %.

So it is not all doom and gloom. What has happened in the last few years is that atheism has spread across all communities and faiths in western countries. The Muslims are not immune to this though the rates of atheism are far less in the Muslim community

We also have the problem of extreme poverty especially in Africa which is being exploited by Christian missionaries. The refugee situation is also potentially similar where Muslims in difficult situations are being exploited.

So my message is that it is not all doom and gloom. A quick look at Muslim history will tell you that life was not perfect, nor the Muslims especially during/ after colonalism. We need to have a honest read of history.

The most important step is countering murtads and how we can save our future generations;

1. Dua
2. Keep a connection with Muslim countries/countries of origin/culture
3. Intellectually we need ulema to tackle the issue academically and not emotionally
4. Islamic education through maktab system.
5. Effort of tabligh
6. Islamic schools and changing syllabus of schools/madrasahs where these issues are taught academically so a Muslim is not confused.
7. Work on being financially independent and then try to help the community

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 4th January 2016 16:36

i disagree with you analysis about not being doom and gloom. the number of people in jamaat and huffaz has increased but so has the muslim population by a mile. its like saying we got more huffaz now than time of sahabah. as an overall % things are definitely getting worse. those who are going to maadris, jamaat, khanqas generally are those who are already some what practicing or from religious families. back then people were afraid to come out as murtad now its becoming the new fashion. its a lucrative business. just say im a ex muslim or even better ex radical and then go on to diss islam you be a over night sensation

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 4th January 2016 16:54

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I kind of agree, similarly like the Murtad Gays who have decided to come out in the open. What is even more sickening and a different topic altogether are the gay groups in so-called Islamic nations.

There was a video recently being sent around on social media originating from bbc iplayer I think, about a Pakistani gay who went back to Pakistan only to discover a whole new breed of disgusting gays who practice their forbidden deeds next door to a shrine. In fact, it is supposed to be a well known place in Pakistan. I was told it was gross, and glad I didn't bother to watch it. I normally just delete such trash, even if its not in my inbox, what's app or whatever. (If someone is showing you something of disgust, delete it from their device)

The internet has been a source of more information, hence more numbers, otherwise, most would be oblivious to such things.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 4th January 2016 18:36

i was hoping you wouldnt bring up the gay issue lol. yes that is another filth thats growing they had a documentary on bbc by some gay pakistani muslim called how gay is pakistan. also a few weeks ago some gay 'muslims' held a demo outside ELM protesting their rights to be gay and muslim. one of them turns out to live in my area and from what i heard he used to be super religious hardcore salafi. slowly he stopped practicing and now is a self confessed gay atheist but cultural Muslim lol ( how that works il never knw). atheism and homosexuality is growing a lot amongst 'muslims' who think they are some how the enlightend ones and free and liberal

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 4th January 2016 21:59

salaams,
i won't go into to much detail, but here's my take on some things, i'm from England so I wont take it to a global level and stick with problems and maybe solutions in england.
1. Muslim children are born and don't see Islam in there households or there parents/families - its mostly talk and no action. How do we counter this?? by practising Islam in every aspect of our life and winning the HEARTS and also mind of our children. some examples teach kids how to be generous, maybe give some food to your neighbours (muslim and not muslim) lets face it most people in big cities don't even know there neighbours. recitation of quran, nawaafil in the household etc. the prophet SAW on occasion read tahajjud and ibn abbass RA who was a small child saw this and joined in. trying to keep it short, so i won't go on further here.
2. early education - most kids are sent to public schools, alhamdulillah islamic schools are rising however still a verrrrry long way off being where we need to be. So lets see kids are in the school environment being taught all sorts of stuff, by allsorts of people (who can easily influence kids into believing things just by mocking or repetition e.g repeatedly mocking the concept of God ''where is god''. And then when the kids come home parents don't talk to them about there day, what they learnt what good actions they did etc. did they PRAY?? yes heres a big one. the prophet SAW said kids should start praying at 7!! and be admonished by age 10. personally i've NEVER cme across a child who prays in public school. the prophet's SAW advice is totally being ignored and then we wonder why the foundation of eemaan and amal is not within us, why we struggle to pray even in our 20's and later. Also boys and girls should be seperated from the bedroom at age 7.
3. secondary school age, so by this age its become deep rooted that i need to get the best grades and get the best job. theres nothing actually wrong with getting the best grades or the best job, however when you've grown up with putting your deen second to dunya all your life (due to family influences etc), wheres your priority going to go?? alhamdulillal some kids actually do start praying in school once they get to secondary school but this is at age 11 not 7. thats 4 whole years!! again parents and families don't interact.
I was going to continue but I wanted to keep it short so i'll just say:
from a young age we have to instill love of deen, islam and amal into our youngsters, get them involved in charity work that your doing, have them help out the local elderly people and so on. spend time speaking to them, going out with them etc.
also instill love of ulama and the pious in them, tell the stories of sahaba and the salaf. how the ulama would feed people, teach people save people from hardships. not just 'if your naughty molvi saahib is going to give you a thappar'.

and then we have sooooo many other issues, tabligh and dawah needs to be way more serious (im not just referring to jammat here), dawah needs to be for non muslims aswell as muslims!! muslims need to stop fighting over every little argument etc etc serious the smallest difference and this guys a deviant and that guys this and that.
sorry i've gone on way more than i thaught i would so i'll leave it there.
the time is to act and not just talk, may Allah give me taufeeq to act upon that which is correct. and forgive me for my mistakes

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 5th January 2016 10:48

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Some great points brother. I agree that we need to do whatever we can. The results are in the hands of ALLAH SWT.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2016 11:14

Molana Saad DB says:

Irtedad follows these steps:

Irtedad-e-sunnat: Muslims first dislike sunnah, then start hating sunnah. Adopting the sunnah of haters of Islam.

Irtedad-e-akhlaq: Muslims leave Islamic Akhlaq

Irtedad-e-muamilat and muashirath: Start dislking then hating the Islamic trade and culture.

Irtedad of Ibadath: dislike then hate then; ibadah leaves their lives.

Finally Irtedad of Imaan.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2016 16:26

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 5th July 2019 08:16

You are the right sister. It's really sad to see how shaytan takes control over other people especially when those people are close to us. I think the best thing is to make dua and hope that Allah (SWT) will guide those people.

This is such a great place, I discovered it today.

BTW English is not my native language, sorry for any typos or grammar mistakes.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 5th July 2019 10:15

One famous shaykh says.
If my child is not getting an environment to protect his imaan, and he is on the edge, then I pray to Allah, ya Allah, cut short his journey, take him with imaan

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 5th July 2019 11:29

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MashaAllah, very powerfull and difficult thing to even think (for most people) but at the same time we should also pray that we don't get side tracked with delusion.

Alternatively, the famous shaykh should make Hijra for a better envorinment

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