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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2014 17:44
Leading Islamic academic labels faceless Muslim Deeni Doll 'foolish'



A faceless Islamic doll, launched in Britain, has attracted criticism from a leading Islamic scholar because of its “foolish” interpretation of Islam.

The Romeisa Deeni Doll, designed by Rishwana B and manufactured in China, does not have eyes, a mouth or nose in compliance with a strict interpretation of Islam that prohibits the depiction of faces.

“I came up with the idea from scratch after speaking to some parents who were a little concerned about dolls with facial features,” Ms B told the Lancashire Telegraph.

However, London School of Economics professor Fawaz Gerges, a specialist in Muslim societies and politics at London School of Economics, claimed the doll, which is available to purchase for £25, was: “silliness and foolishness.”

Professor Fawaz said Muslims were now part of the “global community”, who live “21 century lifestyles” and are not “frozen” in the 6 century.

“The doll is a gimmick, an ultra-conservative interpretation. It is a very isolated phenomenon and with all due respect I imagine it would only appeal to a very tiny group,” he told the Mail Online.

“It's a cultural luxury and I don't think it will have much of an audience or many clients.”

Ms B, previously a teacher in an Islamic school in Lancashire, said many parents were positive about the doll.

“We have produced a limited amount at the moment but already I have had parents take up the order,” she said.

The Romeisa doll, named after one of the female companions of the Prophet Muhammad, took four years to create with the assistance of a Leicester scholar who had advised Ms B on what was “permissible” to Islam.

“Some parents won’t leave the doll with their children at night because you are not allowed to have any eyes in the room,” she explained.

“There is an Islamic ruling which forbids the depiction of facial features of any kind and that includes pictures, sculptures and, in this case, dolls.”

Ms B added: “The Deeni Doll has no face on it whatsoever and is Shariah compliant.” Although not the first such Islamic doll, it is believed that the Romeisa doll is the most intricate yet manufacted.

This interpretation is known as aniconism, which teaches devout Muslims to avoid depictions of living things, such as animals or humans.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2014 19:09
Many Muslims are confused about the narration of Sayyidatina 'Aisha (radhiallahu anha) playing with dolls.
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It is not permissible to play with any such toys that have animated pictures on them e.g. teddy bears etc.

Aysha (Radhiallaahu Anha) narrates that "Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) never left any Tasaaleeb (pictures of living objects) in his house except that he broke them." (Bukharee. Mishkaat, Hadeeth 4285, Page 385)

It will not be permissible to justify keeping a teddy bear by saying that Aysha (Radhiallaahu Anhu) had one too until one cannot specify how it was and from what it was made, and weather it had any features or not. However if any such toys do have features such as eyes, mouth, nose, hands and feet etc. of a living object, then it will not be permissible to keep them or play with them. (Fatawaa Mahmoodiyah Vol.14 Page.400, Aap ke Masaail Aur Unka Hal Vol.7 Page68-69)

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and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Muhammad Ashraf Darul Ifta - Jameah Mahmoodiya, Springs
And here in more detail on the issue...
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2014 19:55
Jazakallah for that. Although we have seen these before, there are other scholars who hold other opinions.

I'm simply sharing a news article as I'm also guilty/not guilty of having such dolls for my daughter. Even Islamic dolls that recite etc.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2014 19:57
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Yes, people often cite Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen [rahimahullah] and others being more lenient regarding this issue.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2014 20:34
The issue I guess is based on the Hadith about Hazrat Aisha رضى الله عنها and her having and playing with dolls. I guess this is where many of us, especially myself went wrong. However, Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam states:
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The Hadith which indicates that Sayyida A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) used to play with dolls, recorded by Imam Abu Dawud and others, does not signify the permissibility of present-day dolls.

Firstly, the dolls which A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) played with was not of the type we have today. Her dolls were made out of rags without any prominent features. Many commentators of Hadith have explained that the doll of A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) was not of the type that its features and organs of the body could be clearly seen; rather it was made from cloth and cotton, as how it is generally made in the villages.

Secondly, some commentators of Hadith explain that A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) used to play with dolls before the prohibition of picture-making (taswir), and the Hadith was abrogated by the narrations which prohibit picture-making.

The great scholar of Hadith, Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (May Allah have mercy on him) says in his monumental commentary of Imam al-Bukhari’s Sahih “Fath al-Bari”:

“If the doll of A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) had clear features, then this was before the prohibition of picture-making, otherwise the doll did have prominent features.” (Fath al-Bari)

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Another important reason why we shouldn't follow Hadith without the aid of scholars. And confirmation of the thread, "Hadith is a misguidance except for the Faqih"
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2014 20:47
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Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: 

With regard to those in which the shape is incomplete, in which there is only a part of the limbs or head, but the shape is not clear, there is no doubt that these are permissible, and these are like the dolls with which ‘Aa’ishah used to play. (Narrated in al-Bukhaari, 6130; Muslim, 2440). 

But if the shape is complete, and it is as if you are looking at a person – especially if it can move or speak – then I am not entirely at ease with the idea of them being permissible, because this is a complete imitation of the creation of Allaah. It seems that the dolls with which ‘Aa’ishah used to play were not like this, so it is preferable to avoid them. But I cannot say that they are definitely haraam, because there are concessions granted to young children that are not granted to adults in such matters. It is natural for young children to play and have fun, they are not obliged to do any of the acts of worship so we cannot say that that they are wasting their time in idle play. But if a person wants to be on the safe side in such matters, he should cut off the head or hold it near the fire until it softens, then he should press it until the features disappear. 

Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), 2/277-278
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2014 21:00
Hmmm....these faceless dolls have been around for an awfully long time, sold mainly only by "islamic" shops and establishments.

Not making any specific point, but from what is available I know many parents buy them as the nearest best option.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2014 21:03
My little hot water bottle with a warm, colourful and soft cover, wrapped up in a shawl and pushed around the house in a toy pushchair by grand daughters looks much better than the faceless doll
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2014 21:27
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You never know the shops may buy into your grand daughters new concept.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2014 21:33
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True, at least they don't look scary as my daughter put it.

In fact, I said to my daughter that they shouldn't be like humans, and her response was positive and correct. She said the doll still looks like a human with the hands, legs, head, torso and so on. It's just a doll with a full white niqab.

Well, I couldn't argue with her on that one.

Fleeced hot water bottle it is then :)
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 16th December 2014 09:20
“If the doll of A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) had clear features, then this was before the prohibition of picture-making, otherwise the doll did have prominent features.” (Fath al-Bari) "

I didn't get this
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 16th December 2014 09:22
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It says that IF the doll of Aisha رضى الله عنها did have features like a normal doll, BUT this was before the rules of picture making were revealed.

Edit: sister Ummi talib has pointed out the missing word, therefore added.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 16th December 2014 09:27
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 16th December 2014 10:28
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shshsh...multi million pound deal going through....

@brother abu mohammad: words of wisdom from the innocent! Allah ta'ala grant her abundant beneficial 'ilm

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 16th December 2014 10:30
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Brother abu Mohammad...you've left out the word "IF". I read elsewhere that IF the doll of Aisha RA had features....

As far as I remember reading there is no clear indication whether the doll had a face or not.

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