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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 21st January 2007 19:37


More media targeting Muslim's. Funny how all this kind of news is hitting the headlines. This type of thing happens all the time. I remember when I went for an interview once in 2004 and when I got there realised that a women would be carrying out the interview. Because I was not prepared, the women offered a handshake and without thinking I shook her hand. This got to me after the interview as I thought it was not permissable and pray Allah forgives me as we should never break any rules for the sake of money or anything.Although there is a question mark over purdah of the women in this news, well done to her for atleast being strict on the element of touching a non-mahram hand.


Anyone had their own personal experiences like this?




A Muslim woman police officer refused to shake hands with the head of the Metropolitan Police on faith grounds.


The officer, who has not been named, was granted the exemption at a passing-out ceremony where new recruits met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair.

The woman's refusal was based on her view that her faith prevented her touching a man other than her husband or a close relative.

Sir Ian had questioned the validity of her refusal, Scotland Yard said.








If the officer is called to a male victim who has been shot, the laws go out of the window
Sheikh Ibraham Mogra


A spokeswoman for the force said: "This request was only granted by members of training staff out of a desire to minimise any disruption to others' enjoyment and to ensure the smooth running of what is one of the most important events in an officer's career."

She added: "The officer maintains that she puts the requirements of being a police officer above her personal beliefs and only exercises the latter when she has choice to do so.

"Any refusal to engage in this manner would not be tolerated by the MPS (Metropolitan Police Service)."

Probationary period

The woman was allowed to pass out in December last year because she had completed all the elements of the 18-week recruit training course.

This included officer safety training, which required officers to come into physical contact with each other.

The officer will now be required to complete a two-year probationary period.

Muslim groups defended the police officer, saying her beliefs would not affect how she carried out her job and called for greater understanding of different cultures.

Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, said: "I don't think shaking hands is something that makes or breaks a relationship.

"I don't think in any sort of job that is something that becomes an obstacle to one performing one's duties."

'Not set in concrete'

Sheikh Ibraham Mogra, of the Muslim Council of Britain, said people should not be alarmed by the officer's beliefs and that Muslim law "was not set in concrete".

He added: "If the officer is called to a male victim who has been shot, the laws go out of the window.

"If she has to resuscitate that dying person, Muslim law will then change and allow her all sorts of physical contact because a life is at risk and life is so precious.

"Muslim law will say, 'forget everything, save this life'."


Sourse: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6284347.stm


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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 21st January 2007 19:46
But yet another unimpreesive intervention by Ibrahim Mogra as what happens when she has to arrest a man in a drunken brawl.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 21st January 2007 22:27
i admire the person who does such a thing. personaIIy i try to do it at work aIso but faiI most of the time. When women cIients come i aIways try to meet them by being furthest away from them when standing with my coIIegues hoping i just get a wave or acknowIedgement as i'm standing far or if in a meeting room i'II try make sure theres a tabIe between me and the Iady. i must say most times i faiI and do put my hand across when they put theirs first (i try to wait for them to put the hand out first rather then me). may aIIah give me strength.


My cousin when he got his MBE did shake the queens hand as it was hard not to but aIhumdoIiIIah he went dressed in fuII sunnah (i.e beard, hat, jubbah etc). He did have the intention not to shake but when put in the actuaI position it was hard not to.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd January 2007 09:04
at a hospital appointment, i noticed everytime the consultant came out and called out a patient he would greet each one with a handshake, as our turn was coming up i was wondering how to avoid the handshake without offending him, so i said to my son when our turn comes and the consultant comes out when he takes his hand out to shake hands with me you quickly shake his hand. when our turn came he called out my sons name who was all ready and prepared to shake his hand, the consultant seemed a bit shocked seeing me all clad in black, he went all red and nervous and didnt know what to say, and Alhamdulillah, i didnt get my handshake.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd January 2007 09:20
strength is the key in these situations. I supose we can learn from our experiences and try harder in the future. It is a little frustrating when the non-Muslim do not understand the reason but that is why dawah to them is important too. Dawah in the sense that ok you cannot make everyone Muslim but the least we can do is explain to as many of them as much as we can.

Do we create problems for ourselves? The women refused to shake hands but was she in purdah? Bit confusing.

Also that women who got sacked for wearing the veil in classroom would come on to the media letting her voice be heard to everyone. Is this correct in Islam?

I think I need these points to be explained to me by someone so please any of you with knowledge of such things reply to this post.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd January 2007 09:27
In work scenarios, I find it useful to have a few heavy files with me. As both my hands are holding the files, a simple nod suffices, instead of shaking any females hand. It also gives the impression that you are hardworking (the number of files you have with you !)
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd January 2007 09:30
Please maintain respect for each other and Ulamaa (if topic is about a scholar) by avoiding accusations and slanderous comments. Also remember that in order for criticism to be constructive, it must be channeled in the right direction. If there is any doubt in a matter, it is better to ask, clarify or to remain silent rather than to speak ill of another person.


Also, could theikhlaas please edit the original post to contain the actual text of the article rather than the link. Jazakumullah Khairun.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd January 2007 15:19

taqwa50 wrote:
In work scenarios, I find it useful to have a few heavy files with me. As both my hands are holding the files, a simple nod suffices, instead of shaking any females hand. It also gives the impression that you are hardworking (the number of files you have with you !)



very good idea... will have to gather some files and folders together just in case. Will actually try produce an article for non-Muslims to understand the reasons behind not shaking the hand or touching the opposite gender.


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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd January 2007 16:03
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In work scenarios, I find it useful to have a few heavy files with me. As both my hands are holding the files, a simple nod suffices, instead of shaking any females hand. It also gives the impression that you are hardworking (the number of files you have with you !)
How about sneeze when they take their hand out? then offer it. they wont want to touch you.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd January 2007 19:31
I think rather than find a way to avoid it, it would be better for people to understand the reason. Maybe the news in the media is a good thing so that people can understand it, that is if Muslim's get a chance to put their views across.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd January 2007 20:37
Muslims have been having much difficulty tyring to convey the message of Islam to the world in the non Muslim countries. Muslims should be happy nw because instead of letting us do it, the non muslims are doing it themselves by putting things up about niqab and that on the net! Now words that you would never think they understand comes to the so easily! Subhanallah!
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd January 2007 20:38
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Also that women who got sacked for wearing the veil in classroom would come on to the media letting her voice be heard to everyone. Is this correct in Islam?


I think we've had this discussion already, members included good links and benficial posts, u'll find them in one of the 'veil' threads inshaAllah.


I agree, to explain politely would be better than trying to avoid it. ive not been in such a situation so inshaAllah this will help as prep if i do meet such a situation. I know a sister who declined a hand shake from the vice chancellor at uni maashaAllah, it takes confidence but its important to do so in a polite, confident manner inshaAllah.


What i think is reaaaly important though (with all the 'issues' surrounding muslim women in the media) is to explain its a rule which applies to muslim male and female. You know how muslim womens dress criteria is (obviously) more obvious than mulim male's, i think showing it applies to both genders will help show non- muslims than both male and female have 'rules'. I mean we know this, but they dont. Allahu a'lam.


Its good these issues raise, it gives us an opportunity to teach a lot to those who are in our circle of influence. Also, ive found that it opens doors for them to ask questions they may have about islaam- u know, it initiates the subject.


Allahu A'lam. My Allah guide us all. Aameen

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd January 2007 21:09
This is one of the reasons we started our site. We felt that so many things were being taken the wrong way. If we had known the media were going to focus on these Islamic issues so much, we wouldnt have started our site as they are doing our work for us!


Inshallah one of our writers will produce an article about this issue and we intend to send it to various media organisations including the BBC. This is what we want, for everyone to know that rather than this hurting us, it just gives us an opportunity to explain our Islam.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2008 11:49
Good comments.

A bit late, but in regards to the woman officer, i was under the impression that it is haram to be a police officer in this country. My understanding is that by becoming a police officer, you are making man made laws the way to judge and not the Quran and Sunnah.

An officer will let a Gay couple walk free where as Islam forbids this.

Man made laws will over write Shariah whilst on Duty.

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