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#91 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2020 19:17

I just went shopping and the local ALDI is operating normally. There are no extraordinary amounts of people and store is full of stuff.

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#92 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2020 19:38

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I went to Morrisons early afternoon. Absolutely packed with people. Shelves were half empty when I went in. By the time I made it through checkouts there was hardly anything worthwhile left.

I have to plan my son's food very carefully so I made sure I did most of my shopping early in the day.

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#93 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2020 19:39

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I'm very surprised Aldi was as normal.

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#94 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2020 19:40

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But did they have handwash???

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#95 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2020 21:19

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Nobody was joking about death, it's just a flu. Sure a relatively unknown one, but as I have said before the regular seasonal flu, kills hundreds of thousands and yet no one batters an eyelid.

Our love for the dunya and attachment to it has made us week and people seriously need to get a grip otherwise whatever comes next will be self inflicted.

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#96 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2020 22:55

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COVID-19 is not just flu by any stretch of imagnination.

You can belittle people, belittle their reaction but the above statement is simply not true.

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#97 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2020 23:37

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No offence taken at all :)

In fact, I could be infected but alhumdulillah not showing any symptoms.

The fact is, we are packed in the underground for long periods and there are no seats so we are always standing. I personally take the underground and then the overground and then again either one of the two, so I have 3 changes. Which I guess is good because I'm not in the same place for too long. Maximum is 30 minutes in the overground train.

I do this 5 days a week, morning and evening. I no longer drive to work since we moved offices, it's a long drive in rush hour and the expenses for the company are too high now, I leave the car at work. Otherwise, for the last 15 years or so, I would have the company car / van with no burden on me, all expenses paid alhumdulillah.

Anyways, at work, there are 3 of us who travel by train, one guy has a short journey from home and in the evening, he is driven home by the boss.

The other guy lives much further than I do and being Chinese, he's really worried :) and he's now started coming by car, only because he's worried about his elderly parents who are in London waiting to go back to China. Their stay had to be extended.

So it's possible most of us who travel by train are infected but possibly mildly.

But!

My eldest son also travels by train and sometimes he has to take on a long journey (twice a week).

Recently my son fell ill with a high temperature and it was all of a sudden. Of course we were confident that he wasn't infected. How? Well I guess because he takes care of himself and makes dhikr regularly.

He wasn't worried at all because he said he got the temperature due to getting soaked in the rain. Alhumdulillah he got better in two days.

After a day's rest, today he woke up with a sore throat and some kind of mouth ulcer and this time there was slight panic :( but since he's had the ulcers before, we weren't too worried.

When he was at work, his colleagues told him that he was showing symptoms of the virus.

My son had planned to go to A&E straight from work because the pharmacist recommended it. But he was then told that he would have to call 111 first and then they would tell him if he should go hospital or not.

So after spending an hour on hold, he was finally told he was okay and should visit the hospital for his throat.

So here we are, in A&E waiting to be seen. My son likes to self diagnose and he believes he has tonsillitis.

So yes, travelling in the train is dangerous at these times, but London cannot afford to shut the trains down yet. If they do, that will put London to a complete stop and everything will have to close.

But on the bright side, if they can keep the trains operational, there is no reason why the government could say that they need to close the mosques too (for now)

Okay, whilst typing and waiting, we got called in for the assessment and he does have tonsillitis alhumdulillah (might sound odd saying that, but we always praise Allah because it could've been worse)

Need to see the Dr now and then will be going home.

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#98 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 00:09

Typical day on the train
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Fortunately, I catch the train from the first stop in the morning, so I get a seat for a while until I give it up for someone more in need in the underground, then the second train I catch is the overground train, that's also very busy. Its the evenings that is terrible.

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#99 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 01:01

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As posted earlier by brother TechMan
Pray at home Adhan in Kuwait amid the corona virus from tearful muadhin.
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#100 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 01:28

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You are right brother.

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#101 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 01:50

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Ok it's a really bad flu like virus (if that makes you feel better) , that humanity has developed an immunity to just yet and won't until sufficient people are exposed to it. In terms of vaccines i doubt there sufficient time to develop one for this pandemic, as theres animal testing, then small clinical trials on people and then larger clinical trials. All to ensure that firstly it works and secondly there's no adverse affects. Anyways, what do I know I have no medical qualifications whatsoever.

But seriously it's not like you can go and hide in an underground bunker for 6 months, stocked up on baked beans and toilet roll? People still have to work to maintain infrastructure, health care, services, commerce, shop to buy food etc. Best thing people can do is avoid unnecessary travels, gatherings, listen to the latest government, scientific and medical advice and most importantly dua.

The authorities have a difficult enough job in getting information out to the public without causing alarm, but rather than heeding advice or informing themselves most go emptying the supermarket shelves and overwhelming the hospitals at the first sign of any ailment (in direct contradiction to the advice).

I'm genuinely sorry if I come cross as belittling peoples reactions (this in no way is out of arrogance, but more so anger), as it doesn't help when my wife is almost in tears because my son complains of feeling unwell and develops a cough and in her mind she thinks he's going to die because of the mass hysteria and misinformation spread by aunties. So I'd rather downplay the whole pandemic and reassure my wife, than have her constantly worried about our children (the youngest of which is 10 months old).

And forgive me for the blase attitude, but I'm not stupid. Since realising this is not going away anytime soon, I've kept informed and taken whatever precautions I can and i have left the rest to Allah سبحانه وتعالى.

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#102 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 01:58

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May Allah سبحانه وتعالى bless you and your family, especially your children, with a long, generous, productive life. One where you are pleased with your Lord and more so he is pleased with you up to the very last moment of your final breath. Ameen

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#103 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 01:58

COVID-19 and children: What parents should know

By now, we know Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a respiratory illness that can spread from person to person. While the situation is swiftly evolving, and experts are learning more daily, concerns about the younger population may be weighing on parents' minds.

We do know there is no evidence that suggests children are more susceptible to the virus, and there are a few possibilities as to why. "The first, and most likely scenario, is that children are contracting COVID-19 but are getting a milder version of the disease," says Thomas Murray, MD, Ph.D., a Yale Medicine pediatric infectious disease specialist and associate medical director for infection prevention at Yale New Haven Children's Hospital.

Other possibilities: they're not being exposed, or they're exposed and don't contract infection. "Given how quickly it circulates and what we know about other respiratory viruses in children, this is unlikely," says Dr. Murray. Based on what's known, it appears children contract COVID-19—but present a milder disease.

As of today, there have been no known deaths reported in the 0-9-year-old age group and there have been few hospitalizations. The disease seems to primarily impact older adults and those with underlying health problems.

Still, parents want to be informed and take precautions where possible. Below are answers to questions parents might have about COVID-19 and how it affects children.

What preventative measures should parents practice with their kids?

"Wash your hands, wash your hands, and then wash your hands," says Dr. Murray. "Kids like to touch their face. Your nose, mouth, and eyes are all portals of entry for viruses into your body." Frequent hand washing, especially with toddlers and kids who are in daycare, is important.

Keep kids away from people who are sick, especially if they have respiratory symptoms. And if your kids are sick, keep them home. For COVID-19, one of the most important things for containment is to isolate people who have the virus.

While it's not clear yet how much COVID-19 is transmitted from surfaces, we know other respiratory viruses can be. "We recommend cleaning surface areas with products that are documented disinfectants, like Lysol, or bleach-based products for surfaces that can handle bleach," says Dr. Murray.

When should parents keep their children home from school?

The short answer: it's not much different today than any other time. "Any fever, cough, respiratory symptoms—these are all reasons to stay home," says Dr. Murray.

And, if you have a child with a respiratory illness who has frequent contact with elderly grandparents or caregivers, try to separate them until the child is feeling better—kids can be reservoirs for respiratory illness.

When should a parent call the doctor?

Call your provider if you know you have been exposed to someone who is a positive COVID-19 case, or if you have a high fever, severe cough—just like you would otherwise.

"You don't have to call your pediatrician for mild illness because it could be any number of viruses," says Dr. Murray. "Again, the virus appears to be mild in children, and there are no available therapies today. Care for the infection is directed toward the symptoms: Tylenol, ibuprofen, and hydration with fluids, like chicken soup."

Providers urge families to avoid the emergency room unless their child genuinely requires emergency care. Today, YNHH does not offer a test for COVID-19; coming to the hospital to get tested would not be successful. This will also help keep emergency services available for the children who really need them and protect children who are most at-risk.

Start with your regular pediatrician or PCP and only bring your child to the emergency room if they require emergency care.

Do COVID-19 symptoms differ from flu symptoms?

COVID-19 presents respiratory illness with symptoms including fever, cough and shortness of breath. Flu symptoms are similar, and usually come on suddenly. Symptoms include fever higher than 100.5 degrees, extreme exhaustion, muscle or body aches, and chills.

The flu, particularly influenza B, has hit children across the country hard this year.

"We're not out of the woods with flu season yet," says Dr. Murray. If influenza is diagnosed early, within the first 48 hours, then there are medicines that may help your child get better faster.

"It doesn't get rid of the flu all together, but it can make your child feel better a little faster."

Are there additional protective measures for children with chronic pulmonary or respiratory illness, like cystic fibrosis?

"For those families, don't treat this any differently than flu or other highly contagious respiratory illnesses," says Dr. Murray. "Wash your hands and avoid sick contacts."

What should we logically prepare for?

"It's a moving target," says Dr. Murray. If you do contract COVID-19 or are exposed to a diagnosed patient, be prepared to be quarantined for 14 days—so have enough household supplies to keep you stocked for two weeks.

"Here [at YNHH], we have been preparing for this for more than a month. We're hopeful that our preparation can help contain the illness and provide outstanding care for any affected children that require hospitalization," says Dr. Murray.

In closing…

Prepare, don't panic. There is potential for widespread disease, and it may not even be as severe as the flu if your child contracts it.

"Just be vigilant. Wash your hands. It's about containment, not seriousness of disease, because it's new. In five years, this may be just like flu or RSV," says Dr. Murray.

Information is rapidly changing. Please check back to the resources below frequently for up to date information about COVID-19.

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#104 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 02:36

Reading on twitter that the young and healthy, did not follow government guidelines in Italy. Thats led to the spread of the virus. Increase in deaths of the Elderly and infirm.

People not realising that although they might be at lower risk of dying because of their youth and good health. They will infect the elderly and vulnerable who they come into contact with, and potentially cause their death.

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#105 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 02:42

What’s the standardized diagnostic test that they are using today to conclusively determine the existence a COVID-19 infection? By the way, how did every healthcare facility in the world miraculously acquire a highly advanced and novel diagnostic test we know nothing about? Really, how just accurate is the supposed coronavirus diagnostic test?! And who, pray tell, created it?!

What medical and scientific institutions were involved in the formulation of the now common COVID-19 lab test protocol? Does it produce either false positives or false negatives? Who, exactly, is administering the diagnostic process in each hospital or clinic that has produced a spate of infections?

We really don’t know the answers to any of these vitally important questions, do we?!

For all we know, the medical authorities could be artificially inducing the WHO-established ‘coronavirus symptoms’ in any patient under the care of a physician or within a hospital setting. Likewise, those captive patients could be injected with any virus, especially a coronavirus, as a constituent of their now mandated flu vaccines.

The vectors of dissemination of a contagious coronavirus are many and diverse and, therefore, quite difficult for even the best pandemic investigator or epidemiologist to trace back to its source, if there even is a source!

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