After reading Mol Ali Mian Nadvi RA bayan on irtidad, I recall two quotes from visiting brother.
1. Juhd-ul-Haseer in France (effort on carpet)
2. Christian youth, 20, 21 years from Australia spending a year in Muslim country's villages for what they believe is Haq (in missionary). And for real haq, ummah don't have time.
Whatever tablighis are doing for 1.villagers,
2. Muslims living in slums,
3. Muslims living in isolated places in cities
is very little.
Can be said, it is symbolic. Understandable, they have small number of active Sathees.
Can we think of an alternative, like; as Ali Miami RA suggested, trained ulema, huffaz, can be sponsored and send to these places. They can be dedicated for this job the whole year.
Elite members here are requested to participate in this discussion and present their views.
Can we think of an alternative, like; as Ali Miami RA suggested, trained ulema, huffaz, can be sponsored and send to these places. They can be dedicated for this job the whole year.
Dont know about india, but I know of a few places that have small Muslim convert populations, and would love to have someone migrate there to teach them Islam. Now some older Maulanas may not wish to do so as they have to migrate with their families and they have to worry about the impact on children and their schooling etc.
They could have a system in place where unmarried or newly married couples with no children move to such places for a year or two.
Some Problems that have to be taken into consideration:
Those who can afford to go on a small or reasonable salary may not be willing to sacrifice the food of their ethnicity, or may only feel comfortable with living amongst "their people".
Others may make demands for high salaries.
Their are the few that are willing to make some sacrifice for a year or two.
To protect the Iman of the youth, our respected Ulama should create WhatsApp groups for college and university students, and each Alim should take the responsibility of 20-25 students and teach them Islam, provide them guidance, listen to their doubts and answer their queries.
This is a suggestion for reverts.
1. Sponsor and send them in tabligh
2. have annex in khanqah to accommodate these reverts, teach them basic islam. They must stay there for a fixed period. And also weekend classes. Sponsor their stay.
3. Have annex in darululoom or madrasah to accommodate these reverts, teach them basic islam. They must stay there for a period.
That is for reverts, we must also think of practical ways to save Imaan of millions of born muslims. Practical solution for the concern raised by Ali Mian Nadvi RA
Deobandi may call barelvis as biddatis, Salafis may call them mushriks.
But from depth of heart I thank these barelvi brothers.
Reason!!!!
Could be through a grave of a saint (dargah), or a flag of gouse-e-azam (alam-e-pak), or Muharram bidaths (panjahs), they could keep the link of these remote muslims alive with islam.
Haq didn't reach this 70% population for centuries.
Recently Deoband is represented by tabligh, and they are reaching these villages now. But majority of these villages have not be contacted yet.
Salafis, jamaath-e-islami and other elite groups have their activities limited to cities and to practicing muslims .
One of the many lies told by the missionaries to remote villagers in this Muslim country is "Islam is over, muslims won't exist in the rest of the world, else they would have visited you. They didn't visit you for 60 years. Our religion is alive, and we are here before you".
Fazilatus Sheikh Syed Abul Hasan Ali Nadvi Rahimullah said..
The present day materialists and Baatil movements make a direct appeal to the common masses and sedulously sow the seed of doubts among them.
Ideological debates religious literature and plans and activities that are confined to the elite and do not involve the common man cannot arrest the progress of apostasy and materialism.
Only a religious movement which begins at their grass root and goes straight to the laborers cottage and farmer field and ignores no section of the society can provide an effective answer to the menace of irreligiousness.
The present day materialists make a direct appeal to the masses and sedulously sow the seeds of doubt and disbelief among them. They are a dedicated and resourceful people who know how to sell their ideas. Ideological combats, religious literature and plans and activities that are confined to the elite and do not involve the common man cannot arrest the progressof Apostasy and Materialism.
We are human and that means that we are weak. And weak we are most of the time except for those moments that are very brief and altogether so rare when we are are slightly less weak.
India was partitioned in 1947 because some Muslims, represented by the Muslim League, wanted to have a separate country because they rightly thought that the Muslims in independent India will not get a decent deal. They went for partition after making a very serious attempt to work out a decent deal for Muslims in India after the departure of the British and failing in their most sincere efforts.
And after the creation of Pakistan the fears of the Muslims turned out to be true and the things started unfolding in a way that were not very clear in the beginning whether these were the worst fears of Muslims but very soon the scenario was clear and stark.
As India began its journey after the British Raj it looked like as if the fears of the Muslims during independence struggle were not well founded because India under Nehru and then Shashtri and then Nehru's daughter India and even beyond on paper gave Muslims the same opportunity to compete and realize the same dreams as the rest of the society. In fact there were even token Presidents and Vice Presidents thrown in as well as those annual Iftar parties during Ramadhan when the funds that were shown in the accounts for developments for minorities were used for this kind of tokenism.
But the things were not right somewhere. Things were going bad for Muslims by acts of omission and by acts of commission. The Hindu-Muslim-Sikh-Isai brotherhood slogan was very much in vogue but on the ground and in real terms a slow poison was at work in different compositions.
In jobs the people sitting on the power side of the interview table were from the majority community. Even worse was the reality that no one talks about - when you are a weak community you simply lose the competitive edge. Plus there was this positive affirmative action in favour of the Dalits, SC and ST. Though the Brahmins complain about it but in reality it significantly bit into the Muslim share of jobs and very soon Muslims were reduced to that financial situation which is worse than even the Dalits. Indeed even the OBCs like Yadavas have managed a fair share of the significant jobs while the Muslims languish in penury and are ignored.
I remember from Aligarh itself a peculiar phenomenon. There was an act in the state of UP that was called the urban land ceiling act. This act was used to make Muslim landlords to sell their urban lands and today the Nawabs of olden days are just like the rest of the people.
When I cleared the written test of an armed forces competition I went for the interview I was clueless about what was the procedure. Most of the boys selected were from the so called Sainik Schools - the army schools. Not only that when I came back home rejected a Hindu teacher of mine, who loved me immensely, told me that it is an unofficial rule to not take Muslims in the armed forces, except for the token names here and there.
A Jama-at-e-Islami type social worker from South India told me in a very detailed chat that the attitude of the authorities in North India about opening educational institutions, even schools, is much negative as compared to south India. This is about the education sector.
These factors have systematically contributed to heavy marginalization of Muslims in social progress of the country. This omission and commission has lead to so much of degradation of Muslim life style that for long people, including Muslims, have been complaining about Muslims not trying enough to be part of the mainstream success story.
The way colonialism extracted heavy toll on the Muslim world by encroaching over their life space at the international level in India it have been both the Saffron forces as well as the Soft-Hindutva operatives going under the garb of secularism who have extracted the same life blood from Muslims in India.
This degradation can be measured in several specific cases. AMU, Common Civil Code, Muslim personal Law, Urdu Language, Babri Masjid, Waqf Properties being the main ones. Security of Muslims has been another stark example where most significant set backs have been suffered by the Muslims.
The effect on Muslims in the development index sector was already quantifies in 2006 in the Sachar Committee report.
All these factors have been weighing very heavy on Muslim psyche and slowly it has come down to the strength or weakness of their faith itself.
To begin with the Saffron simply had no hold on power of any kind and others did not have the guts to move in against the Muslims. But the local police inspector was among the lowest in the power structure who could send the chill down the spine of local Muslim population.
For sure there was some resistance from Muslims because some of the so called communal riots that have occurred through out India and nauseating regularity have seen quantifiable damage on the two sides but slowly this equation found a new equilibrium where the riots ceased to be two-sided affairs and became one sided pogroms with Muslims on the receiving end of loss of both lives and property. Riots not only became instruments of teaching Muslims progressive lessons in submission, not to god, but the wishes of the majority community.
Several of these pogroms serve as benchmark in the progression of subduing the Muslims. In 1979 police killed several hundred Muslims because they took to the streets against pork being thrown into Eidgah on the Eid eve.
In 1983 about three thousand Bengali Muslims were butchered in cold blood by the nearby tribals within two hours. This is called the Nellie massacre.
In 1989 paramilitary force PAC picked up a large number of Muslims from Muslim localities because earlier Muslims had protested against opening of the gates of Babri Masjid for worship of the idols that were sneaked into it in 1949. These Muslims were shot dead in cold blood at two locations of District Ghaziabad.
After the destruction of the Babri Masjid in 1992 Muslims all over India came out on the roads and they were taught a strict lesson in Bombay where about three thousand were butchered in January 1993.
The Gujarat massacre of 2002 has been very well known. Again about three thousand Muslims were slaughtered in most brutal manner.
By this time Muslim strength to protest has come to near an end. after that it has been a different route to deterioration of life for them. The only difference was that we could see the decline and degradation of Muslim well being in real time and in broad daylight.
Arrival of The second significant round of the BJP lead NDA government at the center as well as many states has seen an accelerated decline of Muslim life style and their security environment.
Professor @Maripat sahib:
There are good number of jamaaths, elites, intellects, etc. working towards solution for this irtedaad you have mentioned.
The irtedaad being discussed here on this thread is existing for more than 100 years. And 90% still unresolved after 50 years of efforts. This is concerning 70% rural population, 10% muslims living in isolation in urban areas.
I am also witness to what professors sahib is saying regarding conditions of Indian muslims. But Alhamdulillah with globalization and advent of MNCs situation has changed. we can get jobs in MNCs or supporting companies. Efficiency is criteria in selection of jobs here. Because they have to deliver.
"Ehsaas-e-kamtari" is real reason in many of us in failing interviews. I have cross-questioned many failed muslim candidates. He didn't fair well, but blames interview committee. He says "why was I asked this question". He must introspect the real reason behind the failure. Every office demands efficient and brilliant employees and we have to prove ourselves better than others. Equal to others is insufficient, we must perform 200% better than others' best. Preparations, learning from previous failures, introspection, improving ourselves will surely help. If there are 10 vacancies, the committee cannot give all to non-deserving their nears and dears.
Otherwise it is "rothee gayee marne ki qabar layee"
Why is that there is relatively less representation from AMU in MNCs, sorry to say, they would like to retire before retirement. sleeping or casual jobs, no challenging careers, stick to professor in colleges, they don't want to be servant of others. Casually do multiple Phds, present papers. There ends the career.
Regarding other matters discussed by professors sab. I get exposed to muslim society. I say, there is irtidad of muamilaath, muashirath, Akhlaq of Indian muslims. can't blame NDA or fanatics for that. We have dug our own grave. You discussed gujarat riots, I am witness to 3 irtidads in gujarat. Mol Sajjad Nomani Db agrees with me here.
I witnessed those 3 irtidads in hindi belt. The worst downfall in muamilath, muashirath, akhlaq has distanced majority population from us. I witness zulm on our own muslim brothers by us, who is responsible for this zulm, NDA, no; I say, "Aamalakum ummalakum", your aamaal are your rulers.
During peaceful days, Kashmir had chance to present Islam to visiting tourists from round the globe, we failed miserably here in muamilath, muashirath, akhlaaq. They were no different from people in Agra.
Things are not that bad, need not write off. Majority of Indian population is secular, respects people with akhlaq. We must rebuild our muamilath, muashirath and akhlaq. "Aankhoen ka taara banoe". But if we intent to encroach in jannath of kuffars, we get short term benefits, but be prepared for the never ending miseries.
This cannot be undone and I am sure it will be greatly appreciated.
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