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#61 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 09:57
I have posted this earlier;
Irtidad won't happen over night. It is a step by step phenomenon. The first step towards final irtidad is, irtidad from sunnah. Then akhlaq, muamilath, muashirath, ibadah then finally Imaan itself.

How many of us are compromising those steps for duniya. May not be in my life but we have taken our next generation one step nearer to final irtidad. Our future generation; irtidad is a possibility.
In India almost 90% of youth have compromised Juma'a and ramadhan for their studies. "With Education only we can participate in race towards prosperity", "islam can be compromised", "a hungry man cannot hear azaan" are the funny slogans we are hearing

For ladies, "hijab can be compromised", "free mixing can be compromised", "Salah, Ramadhan can be compromised", all for duniya, "she has whole life to practice Islam". Or "at 60 she will go to haj, will be clean at death".
I don't know she will live beyond 60 to practice islam.

The message here is; The root cause of all problems is "we all have compromised some level of deen for duniya". We did migration to places knowing our generation have to compromise deen.

Now it is too late; we can't undo things, then what is the solution!!!

One scholar was saying, show concern towards other's children, Allah will save your children. (it doesn't mean leave everything on tawakkul, no, take all the necessary precautions for your children and expect guidance from Allah). Some tablighi or some other mukhlis group will be sent to guide and protect your children.
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#62 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 10:13
bak raha hoon junoon mein kya kya kutchh....
kutchh na samjhe khuda kare koyee.


بک رہا ہوں جنوں میں کیا کیا کچھ
کچھ نہ سمجھے خدا کرے کوئی

ابنِ مریم ہوا کرے کوئی
میرے دکھ کی دوا کرے کوئی

روک لو گر غلط چلے کوئی
بخش دو گر خطاکرے کوئی

جب توقّع ہی اْٹھ گئی غالب
کیوں کسی کا گلاکرے کوئی
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#63 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 10:24
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#64 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 10:26

Step 1:

The world does not revolve around Deobandees or the Hanafi Madhab. If a Muslim woman has decided to wear a Hijab (instead of Niqab), a long dress (instead of Jilbaab) and became regularly coming to the Masjid and organises Halaqa…She is not a “slut”

She has not become Murtad.

A few years ago a Sister who worked at a local institute told me that she was a Darul-uloom graduate. She was wearing a long dress, Hijab and working and there was nothing in her behaviour or interaction which was non-decent.

She got married soon thereafter and her and her family asked my Mushwara for naming her son.

Did she dress and act like a typical “Alimah”, No!

I know another Sister who is an “Alimah” but helps out a Charity organisation. Her and her husband (non-Alim) combine Salah and do a million things non-Hanafi. She regularly deals with men about her charity.

Did she dress and act like a typical “Alimah”, No!

Like it or not, we live in a global world. These woman are reading Islamic material, listening to Bayans etc so they are no longer monolithic, just like man are not.

If you wish to do something, counter the argument intellectually and intelligently instead of naming everyone a “slut” because they have decided o get a haircut which is perfectly permissible in Hanafi Madhab and Islam.

If you cannot wrap your head around the issue, you cannot come out of your biased bigoted world.

I would go one step further and say that just because a woman is working in an office, not wearing a Hijab (it’s a major sin) SHE IS NOT A SLUT! I am not justifying her non-wearing of Hijab or working but SHE IS NOT A SLUT! Interacting with men at school, college, university, work etc is not praiseworthy behavior but SHE IS NOT A SLUT!

Women coming to Eid Salah or Taraweeh are coming to pray and not to trap men…Just because a woman interacts and communicats with you doesn’t mean she wants to entrap you, It COULD lead to Fitnah (absolutely)…

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Did you know that a vast majoity of younger generation of Indian Muslims cannot read Urdu? That is my first problem with Indian Ulama and Institutions. If I have figured this out sitting outside India, why can't they get it while being inside of India.

Here are 5 people from Mumbai, take a look at the description of youtube. There is a reason why they are typing like this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=McXOUpXQUc4

If someone writes in Urdu, thats fine but publishing it in just Urdu is pure criminal. You have then taken it posted it for Western Muslims which 99% don't undertand Urdu so tell me how will it be effective?


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#65 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 10:41
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Is this post directed towards me
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#66 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 10:53

Step 2:

Before a person can follow you, they need to UNDERSTAND you. If the vast majority of your target population does not understand "Urdu" it is STUPID to try to communicate in Urdu and encourage them to learn Urdu. Majority of writers in the West (Ulama included) make mistakes in Urdu writing yet insist on dropping Urdu words in their communication, why?

If you don't know the language of the people, get someone to translate for you.

THEN learn to communicate in a manner which is understood by the people, just knowing the language is not sufficient.

I sat down with responsible brothers in a Mosque discussing Salafism. In that Masjid to this day the Imam gives talks in Urdu, Ta'leem is in Urdu so I asked them, "When someone comes to Islam, HOW do you expect him to learn Deen"?

An English brother told me that the most insulting thing is for people to tell him to "Pay attention and his heart will understand it"...He said to them, "Let me pick English Tafseer of the Qur'aan and read it you for 2 hours, Pay attention and your heart will understand it..."

Its ridiculous and its a BASIC error. Do people think that "Urdu" is the language of Jannah and carries some kind of special virtue in Islam?

I am saying not just the language but the manner of communication in that language has to be pitched at the right level but Deobandees can do well to communicate in the right language to begin with.

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#67 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 10:56
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I've also posted the translation in second post. Actually I translated it on the request of an Indian sister. You are right! Most of them don't understand Urdu and instead of posting material in Hindi, Ulama encourage them to learn Urdu. I'm in some of these Whatsapp group where these girls struggle to understand masail in Urdu!
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#68 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 10:59

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You don't live in India, I don't live in India. You are intelligent but I am an idiot...If I have figured this why can't the Ulama and Institutions figure this basic rule?

5 guys from Mumbai with their personal money in countering Salafi Dawah have figured it out but Ulama and Institutions cannot? Why do they insist on issuing their press releases in Urdu (ONLY)? Muslims cannot read it and the Media cannot read it (properly) so what is the point?

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#69 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 11:03

Bangladesh:

I just wanted to point out that the situation in Bangladesh with Salafi’ism and apostasy is far worse than India. Deobandees of Bangladesh are so far behind and non-existent that it’s unbelievable.

The situation of Deobandees in Bangladesh is truly dire. If you think apostasy in India is a problem it is an epidemic in Bangladesh.

Now, we can get back to India...
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#70 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 11:18
Post removed as I think it was gheebah.
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#71 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 11:19
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The world does not revolve around Deobandees or the Hanafi Madhab. If a Muslim woman has decided to wear a Hijab (instead of Niqab), a long dress (instead of Jilbaab) and became regularly coming to the Masjid and organises Halaqa…She is not a “slut”

She has not become Murtad.


If hanafi knows that a Muslim woman wearing a Hijab (instead of a Niqab), a long dress (instead of Jilbaab) is against sunnah, if he/she breaks this sunnah, he has compromised deen of himself/herself.

For others, it is their own choice.
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#72 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 11:29

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As I said your udnerstanding of Islam is suspect!

www.muftisays.com/forums/37-news-articles/12204-muslim-fa...

You cannot sanction someone's practise based on your perceived understanding of your “Madhab”. She may well not be Hanafi and you will be STUPID to start chastising a woman based on your understanding. Read the rules of “Nahi Anil-Munkar” before you engage in it, I suggest reading the works of Shah Waliullah (RA).

Stay in your lane, son! The world does not revolve aorund you perception of Islam.

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#73 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 11:46
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Hanafis are asked to compromise with, what they know is sunnah. Why?

We say, if it is not sunnah for others, they have not compromised.

Brother we were discussing irtidad in India, I said irtidad starts with compromise with sunnah and you are discussing, urdu, local ulema etc.
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#74 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 11:52

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  1. You are Hanafi
  2. She may NOT be following a Hanafi opinion

You cannot assume for her to be on error

Simple example:

  1. She travels to Hajj with a group without a Mahram
  2. You cannot chastise her for that!

Another simple example:

  1. She is eating crabs
  2. You cannot chastise her for that!

This is not apostasy, this is you veiwing the world through your narrow lens. It DOES NOT start with any of this. Apostasy is an Aqeedah issue and you are viewing it through the lens of Fiqh.

May be you want to say that it begins with being relaxed in following (established) Sunnah. I am commenting on how to address it. There is a reason why India and Indian Muslims are in a mess!


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#75 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 12:02
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I said "compromising with sunnah is a step towards irtidad". I am 100% sure about that.

Defining sunnah!!!, it is for readers.
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