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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 6th December 2017 16:41

lets not fool ourselves. trumo would not have ever had the guts to do this unless he had royal approval from the donkies of ale salool, uae and sisi. trump might be crazy but he not stupid. didnt i mention on here a few months ago after trumps visit something big will happen in gaza area. egypt opened its boarders around then. expect another zio onslaught on palestinians very soon.

as for fools calling the new embassy in jeruselem as a red line, seriously what the hell. red line was crossed the day israel was created, the day aqsa was violated, the day muslims in palestine were humilated. this is minor in my eyes compared to what the NAZIonsts have been doing past 70 years

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 6th December 2017 17:03

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You broke my heart brother :(

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 6th December 2017 19:28

Just look at the reality of the arab countries in the middle east, all bombing the hell out of each other, back stabbing each other, nothing changes, similar story in North Africa, spawning alqaeda, isis and Allah knows what. The world has moved on from revolutions of the sixties/seventies and the cold war, the arab world haven't.

Just let them get on with destroying eatch other.

We should concentrating looking after our own societies/communities.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 6th December 2017 20:37

With attitudes like that, we don't deserve help from Allah!

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 6th December 2017 20:54

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Interesting you sound like Irshad mianji , Majid Nawaz, Sarah Khan, and all these establishment funded apologists and house muslims....!

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I have been around a lot longer in this world than you youngters, i'm just looking at reality and i hope you lot make a better world for yourselves and your families. Better to help out your own muslim communities or real persecuted muslims like the Rohyinga.

I am no liberal and dont have time for murtads like Nawaz or the other fools you have just mentioned.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 6th December 2017 23:13

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im no fan of the aposate regimes of the gulf but non arab nations are just as bad. murtad of bangladesh openly said she dont wana help rohinhya, pakistans aposates like the arabs are americas lapdog. the 1 muslim country which can wipe israel and actually do damage is pakistan yet spends most its time killing muslims at the bequest of uncle sam . so yh tell me what communities we non arabs should be helping? uk is a joke 100 most influential muslims here are mostly from qulliam.and otheer apostate groups like inspire and muslim secularist socierty.

aqsa is al haram to MUSLIMS not just palestinians or arabs. if u really have no concern for it you need a long hard look in the mirror. as long as aqsa is in jewish hands the humilation of muslims will continue.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 7th December 2017 00:54

Saudi Arabia on Thursday slammed US President Donald Trump's decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital, calling the move "unjustified and irresponsible".

Trump ended seven decades of US ambiguity on the status of the disputed city on Wednesday, prompting an almost universal diplomatic backlash and fears of new bloodshed in the Middle East.

He also kicked off the process of moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

"The kingdom expresses great regret over the US president's decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel," said a Saudi royal court statement carried by the official Saudi Press Agency.

"The kingdom has already warned of the serious consequences of such an unjustified and irresponsible move."

Saudi King Salman on Tuesday had warned Trump that moving the US embassy for Israel to Jerusalem was a "dangerous step" that could rile Muslims worldwide.

Ties between Saudi Arabia and the United States appeared to have warmed after the election of Trump, who chose the Gulf kingdom for his first overseas visit in May.

While the two countries have long been allies, Riyadh viewed Trump's predecessor Barack Obama as overly friendly with its arch-nemesis Iran.

Israel and Saudi Arabia have no official diplomatic relations.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 7th December 2017 08:15

bro its all a charade. saudis paks iran all same. they on the outside pretend to be angry and blow hot air but in reality couldnt care less.. pak was same when usa kept droning them.

mobile.twitter.com/MarcsandSparks/status/938495717324349440

this is a non muslim saying it how it is
cnt disagrew with a word he says

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 7th December 2017 11:19

سُبۡحَـٰنَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَسۡرَىٰ بِعَبۡدِهِۦ لَيۡلاً۬ مِّنَ ٱلۡمَسۡجِدِ ٱلۡحَرَامِ إِلَى ٱلۡمَسۡجِدِ ٱلۡأَقۡصَا ٱلَّذِى بَـٰرَكۡنَا حَوۡلَهُ ۥ لِنُرِيَهُ ۥ مِنۡ ءَايَـٰتِنَآ‌ۚ إِنَّهُ ۥ هُوَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلۡبَصِيرُ

[17:1] Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al- Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

This verse isn't directed to Arabs or Saudees, it is directed to anyone who is Muslim!

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No one denies this.

Jerusalam has been in yehud hands since 1948 its nothing new at the moment.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 7th December 2017 12:25

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salaam.

how old do you think we are?

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 7th December 2017 16:01

The Jerusalem Announcement Won't Really Hurt America's Arab Alliances
Don’t make the mistake of assuming that Muslim-majority countries are in any real sense “pro-Muslim.”

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Most Arab countries won’t care much about Donald Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, which might seem counterintuitive. The official announcement, though, comes at an important and peculiar time, when Arab regimes—particularly Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Egypt—find themselves more aligned than ever with Israel on regional priorities. They all share, along with the Trump administration, a near obsession with Iran as the source of the region’s evils; a dislike, and even hatred, of the Muslim Brotherhood; and an opposition to the intent and legacy of the Arab Spring.

The Saudi Crown Prince, Mohammed bin Salman, has developed a close relationship with Trump senior adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner (who recently outlined the administration’s Middle East vision at my institution, Brookings). If Saudi officials, including the crown prince himself, were particularly concerned with Jerusalem’s status, they would presumably have used their privileged status as a top Trump ally and lobbied the administration to hold off on such a needlessly toxic move. As my colleague Shibley Telhami argues, there was little compelling reason, in either foreign policy or domestic political terms, for Trump to do this. This is a gratuitous announcement, if there ever was one, and it’s unlikely Trump would have followed through if the Saudis had drawn something resembling a red line, so to speak.

It appears that the Saudi regime may have done the opposite. As The New York Times reported:

According to Palestinian, Arab and European officials who have heard Mr. Abbas’s version of the conversation, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman presented a plan that would be more tilted toward the Israelis than any ever embraced by the American government.
Falling short of even what previous Israeli leaders Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert had considered, the Saudi proposal, by the Times’s account, would have asked Palestinians to accept limited sovereignty in the West Bank and forfeit claims on Jerusalem. Whether or not the Saudi crown prince presented this “plan” out of sincerity or as a gambit to lower the bar and pressure Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to make concessions is almost beside the point. That these ideas were even so much as floated suggests a Saudi regime increasingly close to both Israel as well as the Trump administration. (The Saudi government denied any changes in its position on Jerusalem in an official statement.)

These are odd positions for the Saudi leadership to be in. As the birthplace of Islam and custodian of the faith’s two holiest sites, Saudi Arabia has long presented itself as a protector and representative of Muslims worldwide. Yet it now finds itself in close embrace with the most anti-Muslim administration in U.S. history and stands as one of the few countries genuinely enthusiastic about Trump’s foreign-policy agenda.

Why would an Islamic state—one still governed by a strict interpretation of Islamic law—be so seemingly at ease with such an openly Islamophobic government? Wouldn’t Trump’s incitement against Muslims in early morning tweets give them pause? Thinking as much would make the mistake of assuming that Muslim-majority countries, even ones historically associated with Islam, are in any real sense “pro-Muslim.” They aren’t.

In effect if not in intent, few are as indifferent to Muslim life as Arab countries are. It may be hard for Arabs to admit, but Israel, for all the suffering it has inflicted on the Palestinian territories, has proven—in relative terms—more respectful of Muslim life than most Arab regimes. Nothing Israel has done, or probably could do, can compare to the ongoing Saudi-led intervention in Yemen, which has been roundly condemned as a moral and humanitarian catastrophe of unusual proportions.

No one, then, should fall under the illusion that declaring Jerusalem Israel’s capital will harm America’s alliances with most, or even many, Arab nations (Jordan being a notable exception). The fact that most Arab countries are autocracies, though, complicates the matter, since unelected, unaccountable regimes do not generally reflect popular sentiment, particularly when it comes to the Palestinian conflict. Arab leaders have been content to use Palestine and Palestinians for rhetorical effect and to absorb or deflect popular anger over their own failures and missteps. But for Arab populations, Palestine still matters, even if primarily on a symbolic level (and if we’ve learned anything in recent years, it’s that symbols matter).

To be sure, Arabs are preoccupied with their own domestic problems, and the centrality of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has always been overstated. But the status of Jerusalem, Islam’s third holiest site, has a way of resonating and sharpening divides. Why even test the proposition? Trump’s move on Jerusalem isn’t the end of the world or even the end of the peace process—which has been a fiction for some time now—but why give extremists or even non-extremists another way to stoke anti-American sentiment? Why further undermine an already undermined Palestinian Authority? If only there were Arab governments that were confident, cared about actual Muslims, and could reflect and convey the frustration that no doubt many Arabs will be feeling in the days and weeks ahead. That Arab world, as we’ve been reminded this week, does not exist.

Source... The Atlantic. www.theatlantic.com/

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 8th December 2017 08:07

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The reality is this person does not grasp the fact the US is a top oil producer now and is not reliant the middle east for its oil.

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Interesting read, quite plausible given the nature of the arab regimes.

They are not interested in isarel, their main enemy are the shias and are more interested in igniting futile sectarianism.

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