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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 16th August 2016 17:07

Britain's most prolific jihadi recruiter Anjem Choudary is facing up to a decade behind bars after he was found guilty of terror offences.

The extreme cleric has been convicted of inviting support for terror group Islamic State in a series of lectures released on YouTube.

Security sources believe Choudary is linked to 500 British jihadis who have fled the UK to join the terrorist organisation in Syria and Iraq.

Until now, Sky News has been unable to report his conviction after a judge imposed a reporting ban due to a linked trial of Choudary's associates from Luton, who were also accused of encouraging support for IS.

The juries in the two cases were not aware that they were sitting on connected cases in the same building at the Old Bailey.

Speaking exclusively to Sky News the night before his conviction, Choudary insisted he was merely exercising his right to freedom of speech.

The 49-year-old from east London said: "If you look at my speeches, I have said the same thing for 20 years. For me, it is a matter of worship.

"If people are implementing the Sharia, then I cannot shy away from what the divine text says in relationship to that.

 

"If you cannot say when you believe in something and you cannot share that view, then you don't really have freedom to express yourself in this country."

The jury took less than three days to find Choudary and his co-accused Mizanur Rahman, 32, unanimously guilty of inviting support for a terrorist organisation.

Choudary's key lieutenant, Siddhartha Dhar, was arrested at the same time as him in police raids in 2014.

Dhar later skipped bail and fled to Syria with his young family, where he began taunting the UK authorities with a series of pictures and online posts.

He is also suspected of murdering a group of prisoners in an IS video released in January 2016.

Dhar, a Muslim convert now known as Abu Rumaysah, is believed to have replaced Mohammed Emwazi, the British IS killer nicknamed 'Jihadi John', as the terror group's executioner in chief, after Emwazi was killed in a US airstrikes in November 2015.

Siddhartha Dhar was arrested but later fled to Syria Choudary's conviction comes after a two-year, multimillion-pound investigation by Scotland Yard designed to bring to an end his two decades of extremist preaching.

The trial was the most crucial test of the limits of free speech in a decade, since the conviction of another hate preacher, Abu Hamza.

Choudary swore the oath of allegiance to the leader of IS after a meeting in an east London restaurant with a group of five followers.

It came just three days after Abu Bakr al Baghdadi declared he had re-established the ancient Islamic Caliphate.

Choudary and Rahman then delivered a series of lectures using religious passages to justify their support and urged others to follow their example.

One of the obligations both men talked about was to "make hijrah" - meaning to travel to the Islamic State - the court heard.

Choudary's speeches sometimes involved stirring his audience to fever pitch, as they shouted "Takbir!" and "Allahu Akbar!", meaning god is great.

He talked of violent jihad, quoting theologians and telling his audience: "We initiate the jihad against the kuffar [disbelievers] to make the name of Allah in the highest.

 

Choudary will be sentenced in September "Next time when your child is at school and the teacher asks, 'What is your ambition?', they should say, 'To dominate the whole world by Islam, including Britain, that is my ambition'."

Choudary shot to prominence after the 9/11 attacks in the United States, holding a news conference to praise Osama Bin Laden.

He did exactly the same four years later after the 7/7 bombings in London - but this time the attackers had links to his own extremist group.

He was also close friends with Michael Adebelajo, one of the killers of Fusilier Lee Rigby - and caused more outrage when he claimed the young soldier would be burning in hell.

But despite repeated horribly insensitive remarks, he always managed to stay on the right side of the law.

Richard Whittam QC, prosecuting, told the Old Bailey: "Terrorist organisations thrive and grow because people support them and that is what this case is about.

"Do not confuse that with the right of people to follow the religion of their choice or to proclaim support for the principle of an Islamic State or Caliphate."

The jury was told it was not illegal to think IS are a "good thing" nor to express those views to others, but it was unlawful to "invite support".

The prosecution said Choudary and Rahman sought to "validate the legitimacy" of both IS and Baghdadi, and in doing so emphasised the obligation on others to obey or provide support.

In the end, it was not the hate-filled rhetoric that did for Choudary, but the subtle, insidious support he offered a terrorist organisation.

In his interview with Sky News, he was on typically bullish form trying to insist that he had won over the jury.

The very next morning, in a unanimous verdict, they found him guilty.

He will be sentenced at the Old Bailey in September.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 16th August 2016 20:18
so many inconsistencies in the above story and the hypocrisy....

I'm almost certain I can find much worse videos on YouTube of EDL inciting terrorism in its literal sense. maybe sky news and BBC have a day off when that happens or they're too busy reporting on a Muslim who had an opinion on what one wears
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 16th August 2016 23:16
It saddens me muslims are rejoicing at this news and think its a victory..im no fan of his but as maulana has said khinzirs like tommy robinson katie hopkins douglas murray utter far worse and incite far more hatred. Edl pegieda britain first are more dangerous than anjums alot yet nothing will happen to them infact they are praised and said to be expressing freedom of speech. Calling for muslims to be kicked out or calling rasoolullah (saw) a warlord and paeodhile is acceptable to these animals.

Im not excusing anjum but this is injustice. Also ask yourselves. Why was it a secret trial and news only out today when verdict was given in march. Did he expose the police and mi5? Was he on their payroll?
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2016 09:51
Questions raised about BBC giving Anjem Choudary a platform for his controversial views

The BBC and other broadcasters have come under fire for regularly offering Anjem Choudary a platform to air his controversial views.

Ignoring warnings about offering the firebrand cleric the “oxygen of publicity” Choudary became a regular on many of the corporation’s flagship news programmes including Newsnight and Radio 4’s Today.

During his trial Choudary described how he would "bait" the media with controversial statements and relished appearing on air.

The court heard how he had hundreds of media contacts who he would tip off before high profile demonstrations and stunts, including 31 journalists from the BBC.

Last night Tory MP Andrew Bridgen said: "The BBC has given this man hours of airtime down the years providing him with a platform to express his views.

"It was never with the intention of adding to the debate but simply for shock value. I wonder who the Corporation will now turn to as its voice of British Muslims?"

In 2013 the media regulator Ofcom launched an investigation into the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 after Choudary appeared on various programmes in the wake of the Woolwich terror attack.

Ofcom received more than 20 complaints from viewers disgusted that he was allowed the airtime to express his extremist opinions.In a series of interviews Choudary, who was banned from entering France by the country's interior ministry, refused to condemn the killing.

In 2015 one of the BBC’s most senior journalists was widely criticised when he appeared to draw comparisons with Choudary to Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi and Winston Churchill.

Criticising government plans to clamp down on fanatics, Mark Easton, the corporation’s Home Editor, said extreme views were needed “to challenge very established values”.


He said Mandela and Gandhi had both been seen as extremists in their time and questioned what they would think of attempts to silence Choudary.

But criticising the BBC, Baroness Warsi, the former minister for faith and communities, said extremists should not be given platforms to express their damaging views.

Last night Miqdaad Versi, Assistant Secretary General, Muslim Council of Britain, said on Channel 4 News: "In reality, he didn't have that much of support within Muslim communities but what happened was that many places within the media were allowing him and providing him a loudspeaker to spread his hatred which he wasn't able to do within mosques across the UK."

He added: “Why was the Today programme calling someone like this on to the stage to publicise his hatred, to publicise his view?”

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 18th August 2016 17:57
Anjem Choudary was given platform 'by the media, not Muslims'

Anjem Choudary faces up to 10 years in jail for urging support for Isis via YouTube videos and will be sentenced in September.

Government is accused of alienating the very Muslims who have barred extremists such as Choudary from their mosques

Vikram Dodd

Anjem Choudary was “given the oxygen of publicity” by sections of the media and ideologues more interested in culture wars than fighting extremism, even as Muslims threw him out of their mosques, Britain's biggest Islamic group said on Wednesday.

Choudary's conviction for urging support for Islamic Statehas sparked debate and soul searching about how he spread his message inciting terrorism for so long before being charged and convicted of a serious criminal offence.

In a Guardian article, Miqdaad Versi, spokesperson for the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) on security issues, said Choudary was given a platform to preach his pro-terrorist message by the media, not by Muslims. “His pulpit was not to be found in mosques but on the television screen and in national newspapers,” he said.

The leader of the pro-violence extremist group al-Muhajiroun is believed to have influenced at least 100 people into terrorism. Versi added: “Choudary's notoriety allowed him to reach the impressionable and vulnerable young people who felt alienated from the rest of society.”

The MCB is an umbrella group representing Islamic groups in Britain, but which has been shunned by government, which claims it has tolerated extremist views.

Versi said: “Choudary's imprisonment is also a reminder of the shoddy state of counter-extremism in Britain. For years successive governments have struggled to define what extremism is and who they are trying to confront. Hasty and ill-thought-through measures have alienated the very Muslims who have kicked out extremists such as Choudary from their mosques.”

In his article Versi said confusion about what extremism is, plus an anti-Muslim agenda played a part in allowing Choudary to thrive. “The counter-extremism fight has become a casualty of an ongoing culture war pursued by ideologues with the ear of the government, bent on denying public space to Muslims who organise themselves,” Versi said.

“It is one that wrongly paints the life and practice of many Muslims as 'conveyor-belts' to violence with the assumption that the more conservative you are, the more prone you are to extremism.”

Police say for years they could not find sufficient evidence against Choudary despite his speaking out in favour of jihad, his refusal to condemn terrorist violence and his links to Britain's most notorious terrorists and plots to kill.

Versi spoke out against the need for new laws but David Anderson QC, the independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, said experts would need to examine how Choudary got away with it for so long.

“One would have to admit that until now the law has barely touched Anjem Choudary,” he said. “In the meantime a lot of people have been radicalised and, yes, we do need to look at what might be done if there are impediments, technical reasons why it's not as easy to get convictions under these laws as it should be.”

Anderson said it was “very difficult to craft a law that can clearly distinguish people who are dangerous from people who are simply revolting”.

He told BBC Radio: “It may be we need to be more clever than we already are in assembling evidence that can be used in a criminal court … The way forward is refining the application of the criminal law.”

Choudary, 49, and fellow al-Muhajiroun activist Mohammed Rahman, 33, face up to 10 years in jail for urging support for Isis via YouTube videos and will be sentenced in September.

Security officials are examining how best to neutralise Choudary's disruptive effect behind bars and ensure he does not continue his activities in prison, which increasingly are believed to have become places of radicalisation.

Scotland Yard is also investigating Choudary's wife over allegedly extreme remarks about Jewish people she made in a television documentary shown last year. Rubana Akhtar also said of Isis's declaration of a caliphate: “The good days have already begun, nobody would ever have thought in our lifetime we would see the establishment of the Khilafah [Islamic state].”

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 18th August 2016 18:14
james obrien who is probably the only non racist on lbc radio did a good show yesterday on anjum. more or less said the same thing, media loved giving anjum airtime, and made him what he is. they loved the reactions he will get by spewing his extreme opinions. funny how they are all referring to him as a cleric.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 21st August 2016 02:06
I'm just curious, and I could easily be wrong.

Are we not all doing gheebat against Anjem Choudary by discussing all that's going with him, and distributing these online press releases?
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 21st August 2016 10:38
Gheebat? Everyone on this thread has been defending him on this issue and exposing the double standards in the law. Fools like maajid nawaz and katie hopkins spread more hate and violence but because its againsts muslims its fine by them. They even given these two a radio show. I was wat bbc2 this morning one guy was even defending anjum saying whats happened to his freedom of speech
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 21st August 2016 15:13
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Cases in Which Gheebah (Backbiting) is Permitted
What are the situations in which it is permissible to talk about my Muslim brother in his absence and it will not be regarded as gheebah (backbiting)?
Published Date: 2007-10-29
Praise be to Allah.
Gheebah (backbiting) means saying something about one’s Muslim brother that he dislikes, such as criticizing him and running him down and the like. But there are some situations mentioned by the scholars in which a Muslim may talk about his brother if that serves an interest. These situations include asking for one’s rights from a wrongdoer, so he may say to the judge or ruler, for example: So and so wronged me by doing such and such.

Another case is seeking a fatwa (religious verdict), where the person may say to the mufti (scholar): So and so did such and such to me; does he have the right to do that or not?

Another case is warning the Muslims against evil or dubious people, such as exposing those in whose character is something questionable with regard to narration (of hadeeth) and testimony.

Another case is asking about a person in cases of marriage, business or neighbourhood.

Another case is mentioning by name those who commit evil openly.

Another case is identifying a person if there is no intention of belittling him, so that he is known by a nickname such as al-A’mash (bleary-eyed), al-A’raj (lame), al-Asamm (deaf) and so on.

And Allah is the Source of strength. May Allah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions. End quote.

Standing Committee for Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas.

Fataawa Al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah li’l-Buhooth al-‘Ilmiyyah wa’l-Ifta’ (26/10).
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2016 11:17
Anjem Choudary was never #Scholar or #Cleric of #Islam but the British #Media loved getting a #Reaction

#Sensation

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2016 16:09
MI5 stopped Scotland Yard taking Choudary down, sources claim

The security services repeatedly prevented Scotland Yard from pursuing criminal investigations against hate preacher Anjem Choudary, it has been claimed.

Met counter-terror officers often felt they enough evidence to build a case against the radicalising cleric, only to be told to hang fire by MI5, because he was crucial to one of their on-going investigations, a source has claimed.

The situation led to tension between the two sides with police feeling “frustrated” that Choudary was not being brought to justice, the source added.

After almost 20-years at the forefront of radical Islam in Britain, Choudary was finally convicted of a terrorism offence last month and faces up to ten years in prison when he is sentenced on September 6.

But following his conviction it was revealed that the 49-year-old former lawyer had been linked to at least 15 terror plots dating back as far as 2001.

Police also believe he has connections to as many as 500 of the 850 young British Muslims, who have travelled to Syria to join the ranks of Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isil).

Choudary was eventually prosecuted after swearing an oath of allegiance to Isil and posting YouTube videos in which he praised the murderous group.

But there have been questions about why it took the authorities so long to prosecute Choudary, with some suggesting the law was not adequate.

However one counter-terrorism source, who investigated Choudary on numerous occasions, insisted the decision not to prosecute him had come from the security service, MI5.

He said: “I am gobsmacked that we allowed him to carry on as long as long as he did. He was up to his neck in it but the police can't do full investigations on people if the security service say they are working on a really big job, because they have the priority.

“That is what they did constantly. While the police might have had lots of evidence they were pulled back by the security service because he [Choudary]was one of the people they were monitoring.

“It was very frustrating and did cause some tension but we were told we had to consider the bigger picture.”

Security expert Will Geddes said while the police and security service had a good record of working together, there was often a difficult balance to strike between prosecuting evidence and gathering intelligence.

He said: “Whilst the cops always want the collars the spooks want the information and it is a challenge getting the right balance

“Choudary was certainly clever and knew where the line was and that was part of the reason it took so long to get him, but it was certainly possible that MI5 wanted to continue to monitor him because he was the focal point of so much.

“Given how influential he was in terms of setting up the forums for those guys to get inspired, it made perfect sense for the intelligence agencies to say ‘we haven’t exhausted this yet’.

“In the end though he got caught because he believed his press too much and he got carried away with his own media profile.”

Raffaello Pantucci, a terrorism expert at the Royal United Services Institute, said: “Intelligence officers have to generate leads somewhere, so if you have got a kind of honeypot that is Anjem Choudary and every nutter in the UK is gravitating towards him and from there you just trail them and follow them, you can see how it’s doing your job for you in some ways.

“There is undoubtedly an element of security folk who work in the intelligence side who would probably see this as something that is potentially quite useful.”

But he said he believed the authorities had always intended to convict Choudary as soon as they had a strong enough case to take him out.

He said: “I feel like there was a desire to do it, I think Anjem was just very careful about what he said and how he said it and he made sure he never associated himself specifically with the plot.

“Was it possible that the agencies were like ‘Let’s focus on the guys actually making bombs rather than the guy who is loosely somewhere in the background, let’s focus on him later’, that’s possible, but I would be very surprised if you found a directive somewhere in [MI5] or somewhere else that said ‘Don’t touch him because he’s more useful out there than he is inside.’”
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2016 16:33
Hate preacher Anjem Choudary exposed by hero undercover officer who lived and ate with extremists for 20 months

Hate preacher Anjem Choudary was finally brought to justice after his extremist group was infiltrated by a hero cop.

Choudhary faces up to 10 years in prison after being convicted at the Old Bailey last month for inviting support of a prescribed terror organisation.

His disciple Mohammed Rahman, 33, was convicted of the same offence.

The verdict comes after an intelligence-led operation by police using an undercover infiltrator - which identified the men as "avid supporters of Daesh " aka the Islamic State.

Their group had been infiltrated by an undercover cop known only as “Kamal”.

He lived among extremists for 20 months, attending meetings in Luton, Bedfordshire and forming close friendships with them.

He visited their homes and ate meals with them in restaurants, while secretly recording their private meetings.

The investigation uncovered that they had used the cover of a local Methodist Church to urge Brits to travel to Syria and join Islamic State and fight.

Raid on their homes uncovered recordings of extremist speeches and at least one sick beheading video.

The meetings featured speeches calling for gays to be thrown off buildings.

One was even held on the anniversary of 7/7.

In one speech it was said: "They used to say that the sun will never set on the British Empire, but the sun has set on the British Empire and the sun has started to rise on the Islamic state."

Bedfordshire Police launched a joint investigation with the Metropolitan Police Counter Terrorism Command, into the activities of a proscribed terrorist organisation Al-Muhajiroun (ALM).


They said tonight they "used a range of tactics" to gather evidence and intelligence which they shared.

It included the fact that Bashir, Khan and Alamgir had attended meetings at St Margaret's Methodist Church in Luton and a marquee in an associate's back garden.

At the meetings, the men delivered incendiary speeches to around 50 to 70 people at a time - including children.
The police said the group praised Daesh and encouraged others to support the proscribed organisation - including by travelling to Syria to fight alongside them.

Those listening included Shazib and Junead Khan - subsequently arrested by the Met Police.

Junead Khan is currently serving a life sentence for plotting to kill a US soldier in the UK.

Shazib Khan is also serving 13 years for planning to fight alongside Daesh in Syria.

The police said the group's advocacy of terrorism was also evident outside the meetings.

In a statement they added: "Rajib Khan celebrated when terrorists killed staff at the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris and Alamgir collected money at the talks, to pay the legal fees of convicted terrorist Omar Bakri Muhammed, seen as the head of ALM."
The men were arrested at their homes in December 2015.

Police seized more than 1,500 exhibits - including more than 270 digital devices - and recovered more than 500 images and videos.

A date for sentencing is to be set.

Commander Dean Haydon, head of the Met Police Counter Terrorism Command, said tonight "These men were closely associated with Al-Muhajiroun, a dangerous group which has inspired and influenced numerous terrorists.

"The men used meetings about Ramadan - a time for self-reflection and change for the better - to instead deliver subversive speeches that encouraged groups, including very young children, to engage in war alongside Daesh .

"Speeches like theirs inspire the terrorists of tomorrow and I am immensely pleased with the excellent work of my officers and Bedfordshire Police, which ensured the conviction of these men.

Muslim hate preacher Anjem Choudary smoked cannabis, took LSD and enjoyed casual sex before becoming religious extremist

"Crucially, Bedfordshire Police and the Met are working with Luton Social Services to safeguard the vulnerable children we've identified were taken to the radical meetings."

Assistant Chief Constable Jeff Hill from the Eastern Counter Terrorism Intelligence Unit, added: "Luton is a fantastic town with great diversity and strong communities, however we are aware there are elements with extreme views who prey on the vulnerable.

"This was a complex investigation which was launched to target those who seek to influence others with their poisonous rhetoric. We used a range of tactics to collect evidence in order to bring these men to justice.


"We simply will not tolerate those who spread fear and hate in our communities and will continue to target, arrest and disrupt those with extreme views."
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2016 05:17
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My understanding was always even if you expose someone's sin by revealing the trash the media are saying about him/her, and then you intend on speaking good on that account in order to defend his/her honour would still be sinful.

Clearly, I was wrong.

Jazak'Allah for that brother.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 30th July 2024 15:41
jailed for life today

Was he a MI5 plant and his useful life came to an end today or he was firm in his ideology but got played by MI5 infiltrators.

Unfortunate ending nonetheless.
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