Mumtaz Qadri Hanged.

#76 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2016 23:29

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YES ... MUFTI A. S. Desai from Port Elizabeth, South Africa refers to the Rulers of Pakistan and its Army as MURTAD! Anybody who contests his statement should write to him for a detailed explanation (well, he says it, not me!) ...

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#77 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2016 23:39

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Every time I read one of your posts I am reminded of this guy.... www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1...

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#78 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2016 23:41

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YES ... a similar fate can take over Pakistan (as it happened in the Central Asian Republics) ... during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Red Army's motives was to overrun Pakistan and its access to the Gulf Region: one should salute the Afghan Mujahideen who became a major stumbling block against the sinister aspiration of the Atheist Soviet Union ... hopefully Pakistan will not suffer a similar fate, Inshá'ALLAH!

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#79 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2016 23:53

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the Personality in question had such a great amount of attendees from a broad cross-section of the predominantly Muslim Community in the Area in a predominantly non-Muslim Country; with this premise in mind one could also conclude that Personalities who were his Seniors had a far larger amount of attendees in the very Hub of a Hindutva dominated Country in the former Indian Sub-Continent!

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#80 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2016 10:31

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If we declare the rulers of pak as Murtad, then the door is closed. Today, they are in power and there is no immediate alternative. We can appeal to them quoting their Imaan to show mercy on muslims.

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#81 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2016 10:32

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i just want to clarify that i do not have a problem with the application of the shariah and/or the blasphemy laws in a country where this is implemented. i do not have a problem with capital punishment and the death sentence when carried out properly by the authorities after trial and conviction. i do believe that we should have consistency when applying the shariah and/or blasphemy laws.

i also believe that we as individuals should have consistency as well. if qadri is to be hailed as a hero as he acted out of love for allah and his rasool (saw)

then the same should be applied to those (for example) who kill shia/qadiyyani out of their love for allah and his rasool (saw)

or those who kill those who oppose the shariah/khilafat out of love for allah and his rasool (saw)

. if we believe any different then this is hypocrisy. this type of hypocrisy crops up all the time from within the laymen and ulama too (with the ulama and those in authority manipulating the opinon/actions of those below them). it all reduces down to one thing - picking and choosing parts of the deen that satisfies ones own bias/prejudice/whims/desires etc.

if we were to believe that qadri acted correctly due the failure of the pakistani authorities in applying the shariah/blasphemy laws and failing to uphold the honour of the prophet (saw)

, and if we were to believe that vigilante action was required as pakistan is no longer a land of islam, but instead has been usurped by murtadeen and munafiqeen - then we must also accept the various rulings of the shariah which apply to muslims living in such a state and not decry those who take militant action against this (possibly) murtad/munafiq government which has (possibly) usurped the land of the muslims.

having said all that, i still cant see how taseer committed unequivocal blasphemy when what he actually did was put into question the laws of blasphemy. he may have had an ulterior motive and he may have harboured hate for allah, his rasool (saw)

, and for islam, but i highly doubt that there is leeway in islam that allows killing someone based on suspicion. if there is then let me know.

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#82 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2016 11:31

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Here are the Sharee opinion of Qadris Sympathisers taken from a Barelvi Forum.

'Did Mumtaz Qadri commit vigilantism and therefore deserve death? In response I would present some propositions for people to reflect on and discuss: 1 Gouernor of Punjab describes the blasphemy law as zalimana, kaala qanun and man made. His position on this law is kufrun bawah (open disbelief). 2 His security guard kills him on the basis of this. 3 Due to premise one the state protection of Salman is hadr (dropped). Because Mumtaz took the law into his own hand he is liable to ta'zir (discretional punishment). 4 It is impermissible for the government to give capital death based on the above three premises. Also the government must have given Mumtaz the right to fight the decision. Anyone who disagrees with our position must debate on the first proposition.'

- Shaykh Asrar Rashid.

if you want clear proof how he Salman Taseer committed kufr
Watch the following youtu.be/3CCtdPQmlQ4
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Please kindly clarify the ruling on Mumtaz Qadri, given that there are some parties who oppose what he did.

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Salman Taseer, due to his actions and words, become a ‘murtad’, and was no longer deemed a Muslim; this is in accordance with the fatwa from the scholars of Pakistan, and this then meant he was no longer protected as a citizen in an Islamic state. Therefore, this now classified him as ‘mubah ad-dam’ (i.e. it is permissible to kill such a person).

The author of al-Hidaya, under the chapter of Murtad, states:

“So if he [the murtad] is killed before being propositioned with Islam, it is disliked, and there is nothing upon the killer.”

It is worth noting here that disliked (makruh) refers to leaving a mustahab action, and it is well established that the opposite of mustahab (recommended) is not makruh, rather it is khilaf awla (undesirable).

Salman Taseer continued to speak in the same manner, even after the fatwa's were issued against him (the speeches and lectures of the scholars of Pakistan are sufficient evidence of this).

From this we can ascertain that the responsibility for the punishment for Salman Taseer was with the Pakistan government, and the actions of Mumtaz Qadri, which took the law into his own hands, were liable to tazir (non-obligatory punishment) by an Islamic judge.

In no shape, way, or form - in correct accordance with the shari'ah - should there have been a conviction for the death penalty for Mumtaz Qadri, and it is the Pakistan government that has failed to act in accordance with Islamic Law; this is what the fatwa is upon in accordance to the Hanafi School.

The love that the majority of the Ummah has for Malik Mumtaz Hussain Qadri (Allah shower His mercy upon Him) is sufficient enough for us; he is an honourable martyr, and an accepted hero for the Ummah.

Finally, for those who are, wrongly, making dua for Salman Taseer, we finish with the following verse:

“It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe to pray for the forgiveness of the unbelievers - even though they may be near of kin - after it has become clear that they are people of hell-fire.”

9:113

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Ihya as-Sunnah // Reviving Sunnah

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#83 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2016 11:49

Here are the Views of the Amir of the Dawat e Islami group.

On Vigilantism concerning Blasphemy youtu.be/xwG5lb5GmSY

On whether Death sentence applies to Mumtaz Qadri youtu.be/vizfj3T49NE

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#84 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2016 11:58

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I agree with your point of Hypocrisy and double standard One of the Young up and coming Superstars amongst the Barelvis Imam Asim Hussain has made headlines in the British newspapers most notably yesterday in the Daily Telegraph
with an article headlined "We must not tolerate British imams who applaud barbarism in Pakistan"

The Irony here is he whilst he supports Mumtaz Qadri he by the same token described the Killers in the Charlie Hebdo case as Extremists, Fanatics, Terrorists who took the law into their own hands by practicing vigilantism. So there seems to be a double standard based on sectarian loyalties.

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#85 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2016 13:48

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#86 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2016 13:48

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Well who knows, right?

But Muslims are really moderate. This is a big problem.

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#87 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2016 14:27

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You mention mufti desai but he contradict you about killing non-dhimmi. Check his latest Haq newsletter no. 48 page 2 about story of Umar (ALLAH be pleased with him)

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#88 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2016 14:52

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Jazakallah, What is the ruling on a Murtad as Taseer was supposedly Muslim and Blasphemed before (as mentioned in the video posted earlier), and then was labelled as a Murtad by the Ulama of his country and declared as a kafir, he was living the life of a kafir in public. (if I've understood everything correctly). Bearing in mind this question is being asked on the basis of the incident taking place in Pakistan and not as a general rule in case someone wanted to implement it elsewhere.

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#89 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2016 15:26

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There are mixed views on Salman Taseer's faith.

Some say he was Muslim, some say he was Christian, and some say he was a Murtad.

If Christian, then Islam does not permit the death penalty for a non muslim in the Hanafi fiqh as pointed out above.

If Murtad....
Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17, see also Sahih Muslim, 16:4152, Sahih Muslim, 16:4154, Sahih Muslim, 20:4490

So, was Salman a Muslim or not in the eyes of his family and close ones?

Of course, I'm not suggesting that people should take up arms and start shooting people just like that.

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#90 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2016 16:29

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If a non-Dhimmi is killed out of the legal way it is still a sin.

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