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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2015 01:20
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2015 04:26
This is nothing but short of racism, I've actually seen youngsters argue and in minutes become experts on the topic. To be honest to me it seems both sides heavily exaggerate, however racism is rotten and should be left alone.

Follow Deen and not your garbage culture.



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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2015 04:45
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Look at the current state of Pakistan today, girls are abducted and gang raped, then these fools share the video with everyone online and in the area and they all love it. In fact this event is all over the Pakistani tabloids, girl tried keeping it quiet but the vid ended up being forwarded to her father and brother.

Another scenario, girl dates boy, boy lures her and has sex. Secretly films it,later girl is blackmailed with same vid and threatened it'll be passed around if she doesn't comply to her boyfriend and his friends sexual demands.

This is well documented on the ARY channel 'saray aam', truly sickening indeed.

Aren't these people gloating about rape by either sharing it or being involved in it?
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2015 07:40
Sick scenario but nothing to do with (actual or alleged) atrocities of Bangaldesh.

There is a difference, again not defending any Haram or any sick behaviour at all.
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2015 10:11
It was meant to be an 'example' of scumbags who gloat and enjoy rape of innocent poor women who also happen to be Pakistani and these are modern trends.

I guess a separate thread could be done on the Hindu Republic of napakistan.

Anyway please carry on with Bangladesh.


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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2015 10:22

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Lets try this again:

  1. NOBODY is defending Pakistan
  2. NOBODY is claiming Pakistan to be a land of Milk & Honey
  3. NOBODY is claiming Pakistan to be a Land of Shariah

The issue being discussed is clearly outlined and not just based on personal preferences or experience.

Tit-for-tat comparisons of this happens in Pakistan so this happens in Bangladesh will get us nowhere, a specific aspect is being discussed not the general prevalence of Islam in either lands; if you wish to compare what happens in either countries (from an Islamic perspective) please open a thread and we can try to get to the bottom of that matter.

The RAPE ENDEMIC (public and gloating in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh) are all appalling and absolutely indefensible. You will find equally gruesome examples in all 3 countries but again this topis isn’t tit-for-tat but feel free to open a thread and we can RAPE as an issue. Again, doesn’t make it any less heinous and horrible no matter who does it.

The subject here is very specific.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2015 10:29
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Agreed, please carry on.
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2015 10:42

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Bangali Perspective (Atrocities):

BBC led the propaganda in this war just like they reported in 1965 that Lahore has fallen to India! An example of a book with personal Accounts

I have not read but heard people praising this book: The Rape Bangladesh by Anthony Mascarenhas

Indian Perspective (NO Atrocities):

Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War by Sarmila Bose

Later made public by Al-Jazeera and caused a huge uproar in Bangaldesh against Al-Jazeera

Pakistan Political Background/Perspective:

Memoir of Pakistan Army (Major) Siddique Salik stationed in Bangladesh, fantaistic Account of political mistakes by Pakistan Government.

Pakistan Judicial Inquiry:

Chief Justice Hamoodur Rahman was a Bangali Judge who was assigned the task of investigating into the events. His report was NEVER made public in Pakistan until a few years ago, here it is on a Bangladeshi site.

Common sense!

Look at any political/military Account (Bangali, Indian, Pakistani) look at the years leading upto 1971, the military size, density, deployment and skirmishes and facts become clear fairly quickly. Get emotional and you will need a lifetime to fight Bias.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2015 11:42
Firstly let me state that these kind of issues mostly cause division in the Muslim ummah. This is why the ummah is in the situation it is in. I myself have a lot of Bengali friends and Pakistanis. I have to agree with muadh that our Bengali brothers in my experience have a lot of hatred for Pakistanis and the Pakistanis it is not really hatred but a bit of arrogance. i.e. Pakistanis see themselves as superior but not a clear hatred as is visible with many Bengalis. I cannot think of the thousands of times I have had the cold shoulder from Bengalis as they would think I am Pakistani. When I tell them I am Indian then the behaviour completely changes. With regards to the hatred our respected brother has highlighted the reasons. If the education system breeds such hatred what does one expect. This is why those who advocate that Muslims should stay far from governance and acquiring power should take this as another example of how society can be changed through rulership and power especially the education system. These are all complex matters. Being an outsider I find it hard to understand how Pakistanis admire the Pakistani army. The very same army which throughout it’s history has cared little for elected governments and has literally swallowed up the resources of Pakistan though with a neighbour like India it can be justified. The army needs to be more accountable and they need to stick to army stuff and forget politics. Why is it that the army chief of staffs of Pakistan can do so many things without the approval of the electorate? At the same time the other side would argue that the politicians have robbed Pakistan and the army is probably the only institution with little credibility. With regards to my Bengali brothers my message is that you can hate the Pakistani army or sections of it responsible for these crimes but please do not hold such things against ordinary Pakistanis. I actually blame quaid e azam for such a stupid policy of partition which resulted in a nation being surrounded by enemies. Look at the stupidity of Hyderabad and by extension Bangladesh being so far from West Pakistan and surrounded by the enemy. Let us also not forget that the Bengalis were in favour of partition as well. Also in all this mess let us not forget the original terrorists the United Kingdom whose policy of colonialism, the nation states that were created thereafter resulted in the mega mess in the middle east and the indopak subcontinent. Let us not forget those criminals whose policies resulted in millions of people dieing at the time of partition and till this day.
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2015 11:47

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  1. Take a good look at the issue from a military perspective
  2. Look at what India gained post 1971 (as a military advantage) on its borders
  3. Look at what Bangaldesh & Pakistan both lost post 1971 from a military perspective

 

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2015 16:24
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I think the first three sentences in your post some things up.

One of greatest human desires is the the desire for recognition. From my observation the Bangladeshi community with exception East end of London. Seems more like an invisible minority, the Indians, Pakistanis, and even Afghan seem to be far more assertive and visible, also have a greater media prescence. Whatsmore all three of the aforementioned consider themselves superior to Bengalis perhaps that is also a factor in the deep seated resentment of Pakistanis....Even in the international media Bangladesh is rarely given recognition or the same amount of coverage as other countries in the region, Bangladesh as a country remains invisible internationally.

As for the conflict in 1971, it seems to me that the conflict had been slowly confined to History, over the last decade it has been revived. The old wounds which were dormant concerning the atrocities committed
have been re-ignited with the younger generation of Bangladeshis being galvanised, the secularists and communists in Bangladesh, along with the media have fully capitalised on it, and are using it as a political tool.
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2015 08:21
Marking for reading.

I had read the Memoirs of Lt Gen Gul Hassan.
He was the man upon whose head viley Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto tried to slap the blame of the debacle.
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2015 06:21
I am glad that we the people talked about this tricky issue.
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2015 18:28

From East Pakistan to Bangladeh in 1971: Part 1

Why now?

For the sake of our present and the next generation, this story needs to be told!

Let bygones be bygones, let’s not stir up controversies, let’s not discuss politics has gotten the people of both Bangladesh and Pakistan nowhere and it will lead to nowhere. Emotions are kept in check in civilised greetings and exchanges but anger and resentment breeds beneath.

We need to get to the point where we can at least agree to disagree.

The story of Pakistan doesn’t begin from 1947, it begins much earlier.

British get a foothold in Bengal:

The British East India Company first eyed Bengal during the days of Governor (Subahdar) Ibrahim Khan (1617-1624). Its lush fields and potential manpower attracted the British. The detailed survey of James Lancaster (1554-1618) of Bengal and its riches had the (British) salivating over the prospects of setting up a trade-zone in India. The other objective was to check the advances of the Dutch East India Company already doing business in Bengal.

British sent their best man for the job! Sir Thomas Roe (1581-1644) lavishly showered the Courtiers of Jahangir (1569-1627) until he was able to gain access directly to the King himself.

Pages of history tell us that while working on behalf of King James I (1566-1625) Sir Thomas Roe (1581-1644) was able to greatly influence until he became a trusted source and confidant of the Moghul King. He was able to secure some (limited) trading rights in Surat prior to his return back to England.

Surat was nice to have but the breakthrough for the British came in 1634 when through a Royal decree (Shahi Firmaan) from Mughal King allowed the East India Company to trade freely in Bengal.

The exploitation of Bengal had begun!

In 1717 all duties and taxes were completed waived from East India Company.

British exploitation of Bengal causes Famine (1770):

East India Company was in Bengal for one reason and one reason only. To make money and lots of it!

The lush green fields of Bengal and its riches were sucked to the bone by East India Company eventuallly causing the Bengal famine of 1770 in which millions perished while the British made money and lots of it.


The riches of Britain was built on the backs of Bengal; there is no second opinion about this!

British exploitation of Bengal and Political Awareness:

The province of Bengal and its native Bengalees were the first to be brutally, systematically and methodically exploited in British India and naturally you see a trend of violent (uprising) and violent demonstrations throughout its history, here is a quick look (skipping a lot of details) to name a few:

Precursor to Pakistan Movement begins in Bengal:

The British decided to split divide the province of Bengal in 1905 causing a huge uproar from both the Muslims and Hindu citizens of the Province, initially.

The Muslims of Bengal (quickly) saw an opportunity to be finally free from the dominance of Hindus and a few of the gentry established a new political party in 1906 to safeguard the rights of Muslims. This political party was called All-India Muslim League , it was founded to safeguard the rights of Muslims in Bengal by the residents of Bengal and in Dhaka.

Khwaja Salimullah (1871-1915) and A. K. Fazlul Huq (1873-1962) were the two promient (Bengali) hands in the formation of All-India Muslim League.

This is the building in Dhaka where the All-India Muslim League was founded thus eventually giving rise to the movement for Pakistan

Resolution for Pakistan presented by a Bengali in 1940:

We have skipped a lot of history for the sake of brevity but even the (Lahore) Resolution of Pakistan in 1940 was presented by A. K. Fazlul Huq (1873-1962), a Bengali.

Catastrophic decision sowing the seeds of Bangladesh:

Even a quick and cursory look through history of (above) should tell you that people of this region have been dealing with exploitation and rebelling against it (for their rights) for centuries. They have a different culture and importantly a different language which has exited here for hundreds (if not thousands of years).

The “Muslim” (later to become Pakistan movement) was conceived in Bengal but slowly its leadership began to take an Indian colour and most of its (prominent and famous) leaders which you know (as Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Dr Allamah Iqbal etc) were Non-Bengalees.

Feelings of resentment began to surface amongst Bangalees but they were subdued and not give time to take root due to the enthusiasm of Pakistan (1947).

But in 1948 the single most disastrous decision to name Urdu as the official language of Pakistan hut a raw nerve amongst Bangalees; the population of the entire instantly became a second class citizen in the new country of Pakistan with limited access to jobs and economic prospects.

Bengali Language Movement moevment sarted as a murmur, turned violent and eventually was brutally suprressed in 1952 when Pakistan Police opened fire and killed student demonstrators.

The brutality of the British (endured for centuries) was just replaced by Police/Army of West Pakistan for the people of Bengal.

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