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#91 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 15:21

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dar ul harb wal kufr not just dar ul kufr

and yes they should be ready for the consequences and they are...they are doing what they should do, nor iranian muslims so much but rohingya and uighur are doing what is required.

another thing is these are ethnic minorities...they didnt leave their homeland to live in burma, china or iran for a better luxurious life. as far as west is concerned everyone living there now is either an immigrant or someone who is a descendant of immigrants. they aren't ethnic

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#92 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 15:52

salaam.

muslims living in the west should be ashamed of ourselves! mostly our parents/grandparents were simple, poor village folk who migrated to a land completely foreign to them. they did not know the language or culture. they barely had any money to make the journey and many incurred debts in doing so. they left behind their family, their friends and their homes. but they had a need and they were determined to fulfill that need. look where we are now in just around 50 years!

now many of us have money, education, skills. we are multicultural and multilingual. we are in a much better state to migrate then our parents/grandparents were. only thing we dont have is a need and the determination to fulfill that need. all we have are excuses. the truth is we are happy to live our comfortable lives in the west, with our benefits, free health service, education facilities, wide screen tv's, nice roads, weekends in the countryside, holidays abroad, junk food, weekly night outs at the restaurant, football, cricket.......

and it has nothing to do with were can millions of muslims go. its just another excuse. people migrate all the time for money and career. we dont ask the question were will millions of jobseekers go. if we get an opportunity to land that much sought after position we dont stop to think twice. we will leave our homes, parents, family, friends without a second thought. some people even leave their wife and kids behind!

where will millions of muslims go? that is a valid question if millions of muslims were to make hijrah. but the fact is, millions of muslims will not make hijrah. and for those (relative) few who incline towards hijrah, then i would guess that there is ample space for them away from the non muslims lands. again its just another excuse.

there is no true muslim country to migrate to. then establish a true muslim country. we disagree with many things that isis have done, but look how they have taken control and established shariah (their version) even though most of the muslim world and the non muslim world is against them. if they can establish a pseudo muslim state with a pseudo shariah law then surely the many, many, many mashallah oh so pious muslims/ulama of the world can do the same and better.

it is not our duty to provide for us. we are not the provider. allah is the provider. we just need to make the effort and allah will guide and provide.

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#93 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 16:47

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i doubt IS can give tamkeen to their state . its unstable...a war state...with borders constantly changing. there are other places people can migrate though...

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#94 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 16:49

Non Taliban...

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Afghan demonstration praises Charlie Hebdo attackers

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10 January 2015 16:36 GMT

Hundreds of people marched in southern Afghanistan praising the two gunmen who killed 12 people at the French weekly Charlie Hebdo, Afghan officials said on Saturday.

The demonstration in Chora district in the insurgency-hit Uruzgan province followed Friday prayers at a local mosque where the prayer leader Zain-Ul-Haq asked worshippers to rally in support of the two French attackers who he praised as "true mujahideen", according to one of the protesters who talked to AFP.

"The demonstrators were praising the attackers for killing the cartoonists who had disrespected the Prophet Mohammed," Dost Mohammad Nayaab, the spokesman for the provincial governor, told AFP.

The demonstrators also lashed out at Afghan President Ashraf Ghani who on Thursday condemned the deadly attack on the French satirical magazine, Nayaab said.

"We went out to district centre to praise the two true mujahideen who killed infidels who had insulted the holy prophet," said Mulla Abdul Bari one of the participants of the Friday demonstration.

"We also demanded President Ashraf Ghani to withdraw his condemnation of the attack. Those who insult the holy prophet deserve death punishment" he said.

In his statement, Ghani had said: "Killing of defenceless people and civilians is a heinous act of terror, there is no justification for this heinous act".

Afghanistan remains a deeply conservative culture, especially in rural areas where Taliban hold sway, thirteen years after their Islamist regime was toppled in a US-led invasion.

Previous insults to Islam have sparked violents protests in the ultra-conservative country.

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#95 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 17:35

BTW, Hebdo (malo'oon) will be having a real tough time with angels.

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#96 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 17:51

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salaam

i do not know what tamkeen means.

i was just using isis as an example. regardless of what they are like, they have managed to take control of an area the size of a country, they have established their laws, they have immigrants who have migrated there and settled, they are actively fighting and holding back developed countries who are far superior than them militarily.

if they can do it then what is our excuse apart from love of dunya and fear of death?

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#97 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 17:56

Paris shootings: Muslim man hailed a 'hero' for hiding hostages in Jewish supermarket's walk-in refrigerator

Lassana Bathily, originally from Mali in west Africa, reportedly shepherded terrified customers to safety in a walk-in chiller

By HEATHER SAUL
Saturday 10 January 2015

A young Muslim man has been hailed a hero for hiding hostages fleeing gunman Amedy Coulibaly after he stormed a Jewish supermarket.

Lassana Bathily, originally from Mali in west Africa, reportedly shepherded terrified customers to safety in a walk-in chiller as the jihadist gunman took hold of the Hyper Cacher supermarket in Porte de Vincennes, Paris, on Friday.

Coulibaly executed four of the 19 hostages before police entered the building and ended the assault, killing the gunman as he ran to the front door.

Mr Bathily has been praised for his quick-thinking actions since his role in helping customers. He told BFMTV: "When they ran down, I opened the door (from the freezer).
"There are several people who came to me. I turned off the light, I turned off the freezer.

"When I turned off the cold, I put them (hostages) in, I closed the door, I told them to stay calm."

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Reports in France state Mr Bathily, 24, helped lead six people to safety.

Several people called for Mr Bathily to be recognised for his actions as details of the episode emerged.

One tweet from worldwithjan read: "A true hero of the hostage crisis in the kosher grocery store yesterday."

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#98 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 18:01

French woman wanted by the French government is actually in Syria.

Police in France have stepped up the hunt for the girlfriend of the man who held shoppers hostage at a Jewish supermarket on Friday.

26-year-old Hayat Boumeddiene is described as “armed and dangerous”. She is believed to have attended a jihadist training camp in southern France.

However, the state radio station France Info is quoting sources as saying that Boumeddiene is no longer in France. It says she travelled to Turkey on January 2 and then on to Syria on the 8th.

The French news agency AFP also quotes a police source as saying Boumeddiene is no longer in France.

Security has been stepped up across the country, as it prepares for mass solidarity marches on Sunday.

The siege of the supermarket ended in a hail of bullets as police stormed the building. Four hostages died there along with the gunman, Amedy Coulibaly.

He is believed to have killed the captives before police launched their assault to free more than a dozen people.

At the same time, the two brothers suspected of the massacre at the Paris offices of the Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine on Wednesday were also killed by police on Friday after a nine-hour standoff at a printing firm north of the capital.

Twelve people died in the attack on Charlie Hebdo, leaving France in a state of shock. A policewoman was also killed by Coulibaly in Paris on Thursday.

The raid on the supermarket and the attack on the offices of Charlie Hebdo was praised by Al Qaeda’s North African branch, which described the gunmen as “knights of truth”. The group has also threatened France with more attacks.

The French President Francois Hollande convened an emergency security meeting on Saturday morning to discuss the situation.

Afterwards the Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said the country’s highest security level would be maintained for the immediate future across the country.

Prime Minister Manuel Valls has already admitted that “if 17 people died, then (intelligence) mistakes have been made”.

Many questions are now being asked as to how the primary suspects, who were on EU and US watch-lists, managed to acquire their heavy arsenal of weapons.

The third bloody shootout in two days demonstrates the scale of the threat facing French authorities.

Euronews.

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#99 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 18:32

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their state is unstable and they cannot give amaan to Muslims

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#100 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 19:09

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how is that an excuse not to try? which new state is going to be stable right from the beginning? which islamic state is going to be left alone by the non muslims and have aman right from the start?

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#101 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 21:28

If people claim to do Taqleed of Hanafi Madhab then where does it say in the Hanafi Madhab that it is Haram to work in a land where Muslims are a minority (categorically, no matter what)?

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#102 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 23:03

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I agree with what True life is saying and this is the message I got from Shaykh Hamza Wald Maqbul's statement,which someone posted on this thread. The Maulanas I know and the Ulama on social media also condemn similar attacks. Where are the ones here who are supporting these types of attacks getting their guidance from?

I am against those who take it a step further and say the cartoonist have rights to freedom of speech.

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#103 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 23:12

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I am not Charlie, I am Ahmed the dead cop. Charlie ridiculed my faith and culture and I died defending his right to do so. #JesuisAhmed

Why are Muslims sharing the above tweet? Are they saying the cartoonist have a right to ridicule the Prophet Salalahu Alayhi Wasalam? Is there proof that Ahmed was defending the right to ridicule his faith? I would've thought Ahmed was just doing his job defending people from being killed wrongfully.

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#104 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2015 00:59

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Okay then China, Mayanmar, Iran are Darul Harb as well. But brother it seems you are sharing personal understanding. Please elaborate from Shariah.

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they are doing what they should do, nor iranian muslims so much but rohingya and uighur are doing what is required.

We are talking about being "ready for consequences" for living in Darul Harb wa Kufr. So who is doing what is irrelevant. And I don't want to opine on Deeni conditions and many methods they are adopting to retaliate as it will cause off topic discussion.

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#105 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2015 01:13

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At this point some people throw Hanafi Fiqh out of the window just because Albaanii Jihadi Shaykhs told otherwise.

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