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#76 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 01:19
I think this Hadith fits in well with our situation as Muslims in many ways:

Thawbaan رضي الله عنه (the freed slave of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم) narrated that the Messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

يوشك الأمم أن تداعى عليكم كما تدعى الأكلة إلى قصعتها , فقال قائل: و من قلة نحن يومئذ ? قال: بل أنتم يومئذ كثير و لكنكم غثاء كغثاء السيل و لينزعن الله من صدور عدوكم المهابة منكم و ليقذفن الله في قلوبكم الوهن , فقال قائل يا رسول الله و ما الوهن ? قال حب الدنيا و كراهية الموت

“Nations are about to unite (and call) each other to set upon you, just as diners are invited to a plate of food.” It was said: “Will it be because of our lack of numbers that day (i.e. will be be small in number)?” He صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “Rather, you will be many on that day, but you will be like scum foam (that floats) on the river. Allaah will remove the fear of you from the hearts of your enemies and put Wahn into your hearts.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allaah, what is Wahn?” He صلى الله عليه وسلم said:“Love for the dunya and hatred for death.”

[Related by Abu Da’wud, 4297 and others – graded as saheeh by Al-Albani in ‘Silsilah as-Saheehah’, 958]
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#77 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 02:30
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First establish a literally perfect world that fulfills every Shari'i conditions (which Sahabah RA established), then comment in this way. According to this logic, Uyghur Muslims of China should be ready for consequences, Rohingya Muslims of Myanmar should be ready for consequences, Irani Sunnis should be ready for consequences just because they live in "Darul Kufr".

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He was accusing vigilantism that triggered bigger problems and NOT the natural reaction against blasphemy.
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#78 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 09:33
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it is not a necessity to create a literally perfect world to fulfill shari obligations. there is no need to bring in rhetoric
Uighur Muslims and rohingya are doing more for themselves than one can say for those living in west. they are fulfilling more obligations ma sha Allah
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#79 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 09:49
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the hijrah is wajib on those who can do it. for those who can't they should strive to until they can. for those who stay voluntarily there are a number of interesting things they can do in dar ul harb.

as for indian muslims, they are a perfect example to show how this defeatist selfish approach of 'save my own home' is harmful for themselves and Muslim ummah. what did they ever do for kashmiri Muslims? leave 'doing', they openly show dislike for actions of kashmiris and pakistanis because hindu majority makes life miserable for them in india! how selfish...

so Muslims will continue to do things that will harm the Muslim minorities living in dar ul harb wal kufr (im not talking about places such as argentina which are only dar ul kufr) because of the actions of those countries. that is a fact whether someone likes it or not.
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#80 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 09:51
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#81 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 09:52
Discusion between Sherif kouchi and Police officer.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EALkjWzZSoU

he said they are AQ Yemen and studied with Imam Anwar. and they did this to take revenge of blasphemy
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#82 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 09:56
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#83 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 10:14

You work for IBM in Manchester and a colleague disrespects Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wasallam).

Option 1:

You take the knife in the breakroom and stab him to death!

  1. Blasphemy stops
  2. You go to Jail
  3. Your pregnant wife goes on Social Care
  4. The entire country out of retaliation (now provoked) starts to insult Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wasallam)

Option 2:

  1. You have a word in private with the colleague that this is unacceptable, Blasphemy stops
  2. (If not) You have a word in private with the Management that this is unacceptable, Blasphemy stops
  3. (If not) You have a word in private with the HR department that this is unacceptable, Blasphemy stops
  4. The worst case scenario the entire company from top to bottom collude and they remove you from your job
  5. You take the case to tribunal and after 7 years of fighting you win compensation
  6. You take the case to tribunal and after 7 years of fighting you lose the case
  7. Either way there is some news in the back pages of a newspaper about this issue
  8. Blasphemy stops either way BECAUSE NOBODY wants the aggro of this on their head!

There is NO OPTION of keeping silent

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#84 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 10:17

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So a Muslim in Leicester who has a Beard, his wife wears Niqab, his kids study in Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat Saheb (HA)'s Darul-uloom should move to Tunisia or Morocco or Turkey in your opinion?

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What are 170+ million Indian Muslims supposed to do? Practical solutions not rhetoric, please?

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#85 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 10:22
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So a Muslim in Leicester who has a Beard, his wife wears Niqab, his kids study in Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat Saheb (HA)'s Darul-uloom should move to Tunisia or Morocco or Turkey in your opinion?

turkey, morocco or tunisia arent dar ul islam either. dar ul islam is based on system, not faith of majority population.

What are 170+ million Indian Muslims supposed to do? Practical solutions not rhetoric, please?
can't say much here. open forum you know ;)
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#86 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 10:36
This is a demonstration (written by a sheikh) that in the west freedom of religion doesn't exist and nullifies the claim of those who say since west allows us to pray, pay zakat, do hajj and fast hence it is dar ul islam. there are other obligations too. and no i dont think muslim majority countries are by necessity dar ul islam either so dont quote their examples. the comments in parentheses are my own)

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The family of someone who has obtained a visa to Western countries (or has citizenship) may be subjected to
attack. Some examples of this:
a. His child may be forced to study a Western curriculum (teaching kufr like evolution). If the father refuses to send his
child to the schools, his child will be taken from him by force and could be turned over to non-Muslim parents (a recent example exists)
b. A Muslim cannot compel his son or daughter to pray, fast, go on pilgrimage, or even
observe the laws of ritual purity. If he tries to compel them to do so or to implement, for
example, the tradition of the prophet (may God bless him and grant him peace) that says,
"Command your sons to pray at seven years, and beat them for it at ten years," then his
renegade son or the son's renegade mother -- particularly if she is a non-Muslim -- or his
neighbor or the child's teacher can lodge a complaint against him. The child might be
taken from him and turned over to another family that might be non-Muslim.
c. His daughter cannot wear even a head covering, let alone a full hijab in the schools of
France. In some other countries the niqab [veil that covers the face] is outlawed.
d. If his daughter wants to go out to have fun in a nightclub with her boyfriend, he cannot
prevent her. If he tries, she can summon the police to punish him.
e. If his daughter brings her lover home, he has no right to prevent her. If he tries, she
may call the police for help to enable her to do what she wants.
f. If a Muslim in the West fears that his child may be corrupted and decides to emigrate
with him to Muslim lands and his Western wife objects, he will be forcibly prevented
from doing so, in addition to the punishments that may be imposed on him, such as
deportation or being forbidden even to approach his child's residence. The stories of this
are repeated and well-known.
g. A Muslim may not prevent his son or daughter from engaging in debauchery, drinking
alcohol, gambling, watching pornographic films, or listening to depraved music.
h. A Muslim may not object to his daughter's marrying whomever she wishes, even a
dissolute person or an non-believer.
i. If a Muslim marries a second wife, he will be punished, perhaps imprisoned, and they
will invalidate his marriage. This is an attack on his honor, by depriving him of his
legitimate right to his second wife. For this reason, Muslims marry a second wife secretly
and do not dare to announce the marriage or register it.
j. A Muslim may not carry out the Koranic provision against his wife if she is rebellious
toward him, abstains from his bed, or deprives him of his right to be chaste himself. He
who is Truth, may He be blessed and exalted, says: "And those you fear may be
rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you,
look not for any way against them; and God is All-high, All-great" [Koranic verse; Al-
Nisa 4:34]. If he tries to take his right without her consent, she has the right to prosecute
him for having "raped" her. If he tries to implement the Koranic provision of beating,
prison awaits him. (i am aware of the fiqh of "beating a wife" and the conditions involved and also for marital rape which isn't allowed in Islam but still does not constitute as 'the' rape in terms of hadd in a sharii court)
k. A Muslim husband or wife cannot prevent his or her partner from bringing alcohol into
the house or from watching depraved materials. If either of them objects out of concern
for the morals of the children, the police are waiting.
l. A Muslim may not prevent his wife, if she is not virtuous or a non-Muslim, from
befriending anyone she wishes, Muslim or non-Muslim, or from corresponding with him,
inviting him to the house, and mixing socially with him.

(m. a Muslim may not be allowed to go overseas to fight , as is commanded, to help fellow Muslims in need of help. Many recent examples exist)
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#87 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 11:52

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Don't know (and don't care) who this Shaykh is but this is the question you skipped, even shorter for you to answer

So a Muslim in Leicester who has a Beard, his wife wears Niqab, his kids study in Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat Saheb (HA)'s Darul-uloom should move to Tunisia in your opinion?

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#88 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 14:33
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Brother, I'm not comparing or judging practising level of any Muslim. You opined that Muslims living in the west should be ready for consequences as they live in Darul Kufr. Should Uyghur, Rohingya, Irani Muslims do the same?
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#89 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 14:33
Bismillah

I condemn

Shameful how muslims across the internet and on social media have assumed the role of apologists as if grovelling at the feet of the western media will lessen their Nazi like hatred of Islam and muslims.

And then we have the media jumping and down asking muslims to standup and condemn.

Okay here is my personal condemnation.

I condemn. The killing of innocent individuals.

I condemn the owners and editors of this newspaper for deliberately inciting violence that led to the killing of innocent individuals.

I condemn foremost the editor, owners, and cartoonists of this particular publication, for their vile disgusting cartoons and articles...!

I condemn them for blatantly inciting hatred and bigotry.

I condemn those who support their bigotry.

I condemn the western media, for their daily vilification, demonisation, and dehumanisation of muslims which has led to and is the main cause of the radicalisation of many youth across Europe.

I condemn the French media, for radicalising the individuals who carried out these attacks.

I condemn the western intelligence agencies who have been using agent provocateurs to radicalise such individuals. and for duplicitly funding and training such individuals to carry out such attacks.

I condemn the western media, and political establishment for waging a relentless psychological warfare against decent law abiding citizens, for no other reason then that they are muslims.

I condemn the western media, for engaging in Journalistic extremism, fundamentalism, and journalistic terrorism, against honest hardworking law abiding muslims.

I condemn, fully totally unequivocally, those who seek to vilify The Best Of Allahs Creation (sallalahu alaiyhi salam) this condemnation is non-negotiable.

I condemn...........!
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#90 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2015 15:16
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i skipped because this is an open forum...otherwise i will tell you exactly what such a person should do
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