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Istigatha practised and advised by Shaykh (Maulana) Yusuf Motala (HA)

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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 30th July 2014 15:40

Mufti Mangera (HA)'s discussion on Istigatha added to OP.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 04:10
the phrase can come under the linguistic meaning of salawat. hence not an issue.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 04:24
the phrase will reach him (saw) either through the angels if it is considered salawaat or through the presenting of deeds if it is considered remembrance. he (saw) may then make dua.
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 04:53
Please advise as to the meaning of the phrase used & how the phrase could constitute Salawat and/or remembrance.
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 12:31

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Response added to OP from Fazail-e-Durood of Shaykhul-Hadeeth Maulana Zakariyya Kandhawli (RA) as to what is Salawaat

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How so? Shaykhul-Hadeeth Maulana Zakariyya Kandhawli (RA) seems to be disagreeing with you.

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Fatwa from Darul-uloom Zakariyya (SA) added to state that it isn't permissable to use this to OP.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 15:36
It will be regarded as salawat. The best way of salawat is to ask Allah to send peace on him or praise him. But if you yourself send peace on him or you yourself praise him it will also comes under salawaat. In Fazaile Durood it says regarding the statement "O you who believe! Confer blessings on him (Salu alayhi)": "The meaning of the believers conferring blessings is following the Noble Prophet (saw), having love for him and mentioning his beautiful qualities". Secondly, even if it is not salawaat it will be regarded as remembering the messenger which is a deed in and of itself, in which case it will be also be presented to him. So the action will reach him without doubt. Regarding the sentence being permissible in and of itself, you may read in the quran "ya ayuhal muzammil". Your fatwa is premised with "tawajuh and attention".
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 15:50

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  1. Is this Istigatha or not?
  2. Secondly if its not...

So for 1400 years even in the worst time and tribulations in the Ummah nobody either read or practised this "fabricated" or extremely weak statement and then it took Scholars in Bury to remind the Ummah as to what has been missed?

Is that about the summary of your argument?

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 15:56
This post has been reported. It could be due to breaking rules or something as simple as bad use of bbcodes which breaks the page format. We will attend to this soon.
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 20:05
If bury is right then barelwis have been right all along saying ya rusulullah
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 20:14
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I'm afraid bury is wrong and so are the Barelwi in this case.
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 20:54
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Straw man
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 20:56
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Whats the issue?
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 21:41
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The issue is that this is a biddah, baseless and there is no such Dhikr.

Why has no one ever heard of it before?

If it's new, then we know what it is classified as! Biddah.

Just because one hazrat mentioned it, it doesn't make it sahih.
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 21:42

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The whole statement of Fazail-e-Durood is already presented in OP.

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Second Fatwa from Shaykh (Mufti) A. S. Desai (HA) added to OP

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2014 21:53
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can you please explain *exactly* what the bidah is here.
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