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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 18:27
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Interesting, please present the example in the link above. Would this too be considered Sunnah.

I appreciate I don't know the Shafi' Madhab, but its just a matter of interest as I understand their rulings are derived upon their usools.
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 18:30
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The link is very interesting i shall add on there إن شاء الله
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 22:44

I have 3 small comments on this issue:

  1. Leave the Salafi DIY opinion because the Sharh of Riyadus-Saliheen is mumbo-jumbo and Salafees are notorious for not correctly stating the opinions of Fuqaha in detail and in a dispassionate manner
  2. In the Hanafi Madhab this isn't even Mustahab
  3. In the Shaf'ae Madhab it is Sunnah or Mustahab (I have heard both but wasn't sure what is right)

That should be the end of the matter as classical Islamic book would merely reproduce the rulings of Madhab and leave it at that.

I do find is astonishing from Hanafees to comment further and say that this was ONCE in a lifetime action of Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) when we are told of many examples to follow Sunnah based on weak narrations or once in a lifetime actions, just saying that we don't accept this as a Sunnah (action) would suffice and no reason to drag logic into it.

You can read the books of Akabir and come across many examples where they state that ONCE Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam)said this or did this etc...

This isn't Sunnah in the Hanafi Madhab is good enough for me to be honest :P

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 13th July 2014 00:29
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I appreciate I don't know the Shafi' Madhab, but its just a matter of interest as I understand their rulings are derived upon their usools.


:) just interested :)
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 13th July 2014 11:07
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I understand and didn't mean it as a criticism
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 13th July 2014 13:14
السلام عليكم

Guys, got this reply from a shafi'i group.

Yes it is sunnah and the hadith for it is sahih. It is recommended that it be green, not dry. The prophet peace be upon him told the companion to place a palm-leaf stalk on the grave and by way of qiyas, basil and other such things commonly placed. Also, it would be haram for anyone to remove it until it completely dries up.
(Paraphrased from Tuhfa v3 p197)



So I guess there is a difference in opinion between Madhabs.
Hanafi- Mubah
Shafi'i- Sunnah.


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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 14th July 2014 13:35
Assalaamu 'Alaykum

Not really related to this discussion but would appreciate some feedback.

Have always wondered about it and wanted to ask.

What is the procedure from time of demise to burial in UK (and other countries such as USA, Canada)? I have noted that many times burial only occurs after a few days in these countries, is this a norm or an exception?

Jazak Allah
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 14th July 2014 13:59
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All depends on how the death occurred, where it occurred.

The coroner has to sign it off , this is where there can be delays.

If there was a history of illness and the dr/ hospital where aware then there should be no delays, but if it was a sudden death then you will expect delays as the coroner will investigate the death and you will expect a post mortem ( some places approve mri scans post mortem) and the coroners in most cases are not friendly to the idea of Muslim sensitivities in burying straight away so will take a day or more.

most coroners don't work weekends so if a death occurred on Friday you won't bury till Monday afternoon ( some places in UK do have coroners who will sign it off on weekends so burial can happen in weekends)

The coroners practises do differ from city to city in UK and some are quicker in their processes.


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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 15th July 2014 00:52
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nor did the Sahaabah and the Salf-e-Saaliheen thereafter adopt this as a Sunnat practice. It was never implemented. From this we understand that we should not seek to surpass Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and the Sahaabah in matters of the Deen. There is no more effective method for benefiting the mayyit (deceased) than Dua-e-Maghfirat and rendering acts of virtue on his/her behalf.


It seems Mufti A.S. meant to say inserting twig on the grave even once is not permissible. Am I getting it right?
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