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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 15:38

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Here is some of the details from a Salafi book which is in line with the original answer.[/quote]
And the original answer (post #2) is a Deobandi position.

[quote]Mufti Siraj says:
It is not permissible to place flowers on a grave because this is not established from any Hadeeth or practice of the Sahaabah. Furthermore, it is also a practice of the Nasaaraa in our times. It is therefore, Haraam and Bid'ah to place flowers on the grave. However, it will be permissible to place a dry twig or branch on the grave, but this should be done once only, not on a continuous basis.

And Allah Ta'aala knows best.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 15:51

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The custom of placing flowers, shrubs etc, is a Bid'at (innovation) and is not established from the Shari'ah. (Ahsanul Fataawa vol.1 pg.374)

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 15:53

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1. Placing flowers is different from placing twigs.

Placing flowers has been practiced by no one.

But placing twigs was done by Rasoolullah (saw)

as per the hadith.

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However, it will be permissible to place a dry twig or branch on the grave, but this should be done once only, not on a continuous basis.

What I mentioned was placing twigs 'once' soon after burial. Not on continuous basis.

3. The salafi book you posted mentions flowers, leaves and branches as the same and says it not permissible.
Where as the Hanafi fatwa mentions that placing flowers is not permissible, but placing twigs (ie branches) is permissible.

So the salafi book is NOT in line with the hanafi fatwa.

Do you get my point bro.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 15:58

The discussion here is about twigs/branches 'inserted' on the grave (so that it grows).

No one in the thread disagrees that placing flowers on the grave like the christians is haram.

As for the hanafi view, as per the first fatwa, inserting twig on the grave 'once' is 'permissible'.
So as per the fiqhi definition it must be 'Mubah' not Sunnah.

As for the shafi'i view, the practice of inserting twigs on the grave is present.
I do not know if it is Mubah or sunnah as per the Madhab, InshaAllah will enquire.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 16:42

I understand your points brother Umar123, جزاك الله خيرا

Additional input inshaAllah.

reliablefatwas.com/janazah-salaat/ Mufti AS Desai
Q. I have heard some people saying that if a plant such as a rose plant is put on the grave, the athaab of Allah does not come. Also, if some berries are planted and the birds come and eat, they recite Tasbeeh for the mayyit. Is this correct?

A. Whatever is not substantiated by the Qur'aan and Sunnah is conjecture no matter how logical and beneficial it may appear. No one can claim with certitude that Athaab is lifted if wild birds eat from the berries planted on a grave or by the Tasbeeh of the flower. Placing flowers on the grave is not permissible because this is a custom of non-Muslims, and it was never ever done by Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), the Sahaabah, the Taabieen and Tabe-Taabieen. If there was merit in this practice, Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) would have encouraged it.

What could be said in this regard is that on only one occasion in his entire lifetime did Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) split a twig in two and placed one half on each of the two graves when it was revealed to him that the inmates were undergoing severe punishment. When placing the twigs, Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) expressed the hope that the punishment may be lightened as long as the twigs remained fresh and recited Tasbeeh. He did not categorically claim that the punishment will be terminated nor did he ever repeat this act on any other grave, nor did the Sahaabah and the Salf-e-Saaliheen thereafter adopt this as a Sunnat practice. It was never implemented. From this we understand that we should not seek to surpass Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and the Sahaabah in matters of the Deen. There is no more effective method for benefiting the mayyit (deceased) than Dua-e-Maghfirat and rendering acts of virtue on his/her behalf.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 16:50

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From this we understand that we should not seek to surpass Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and the Sahaabah in matters of the Deen.

this opens up another can of worms! such as today's tassawuf, amils, etc and the whole institution/rules/regulations/practices surrounding them.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 16:54

^^^But lets not discuss that here. Keep this thread in Public section and left unlocked.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 16:57

I was reading the book by mufti taqi called " the great scholars of the deoband seminary" and he mentions a incident of shaykh al hind mawlana mahmud al hasan ra and mufti shafi ra which I remember reading and it was about this issue

Will read up and send scan inshallah

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 17:20

Please read all 3 scans to appreciate the views of mufti shafi ra

Please don't strain your necks trying to read side wards :)

I will try to learn asap how to re angle them

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 17:30

Jazakallah, Already read it sitting at an angle :)

Can I suggest you put them in spoiler and label the pages as so

[spoiler=Page 1][img]http://muftisays.opendrive.com/files/OF80Mzk2MTcxNl9XTjFpcw/20140712_170110.jpg[/img][/spoiler]

The spoiler is this green thing. This helps the page load quicker and then users can open one page at a time

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 17:38

Question: Recently my father passed away and I was wondering if I understand there is a Hadith in which the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam planted two leaves of a palm tree to lessen the buried persons' torment. If your ruling on this is a 'no' then I hope you will inform me of other things that may be done to help the deceased. I hope you will provide references to the Hadith or Quranic verses you may cite. Jazakallah

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Your query comprises of two questions, is it permissible to plant flower/plant on the grave and the means of conveying reward to the deceased.

As for the first question: It is narrated in the Hadith of Bukhari that Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam requested for a date palm leaf, tore it into two and placed half on each of the two graves and said, "it is likely that the punishment of the grave will be decreased until these leaves stay moist". (Bukhari Shareef vol. 1 Pg: 35)

The commentators of Hadith say, this action is exclusive to Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam as there is no specialty in the leaf. It was the blessing of the hand of Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam. That's why Ulama such as Allamah Khataabi have disapproved of people putting leafs on the grave. Mufti Taqi Usmani Sahib writes, although it is proven from Hadith that Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam placed a leaf on the grave, it was a one off occasion. Therefore, it should not be made habit or a continuous practice. (Dars e Tirmizi vol. 1 Pg: 286) (References: Fatawa Mahmoodiyah vol. 9 Pg: 175, Malfoozat of Mufti Mahmood Sahib (RA) vol. 2 Pg: 324)

As for conveying reward to the deceased, there many ways of doing that. It is mentioned in the Hadith of Muslim, Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam says: when a person passes away, his book of deeds is closed (and no reward reaches him) except in three cases; in the form of Sadaqah Jariyah, or he has left behind the legacy of knowledge that is benefitted from, or a pious child that makes dua for him (Mishkaat vol 1, pg 32).

Allamah Shaami Rahmatullahi Alaihi mentions that a person can convey the reward of Salaah, fasting, charity, recitation of the Quran, zikr, Hajj and Umrah and any righteous deed to the deceased. (Raddul Muhtaar vol 4, pg 10)

Hence it can be taken from here that there are numerous ways of conveying reward to the deceased, and the reward reaches the deceased.

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11th February 2013
30th Rabi' al Awwal 1434
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 17:46

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Jazakallah , learnt something new today

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 18:13

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Just had a discussion with a Shafi'i scholar here.. he says according to Imam Shafi'i رحمة الله عليه it is sunnah to place the two green twigs over the grave..( also added that the Ahnaf do not hold the same view) i have asked him for the reference and he said he shall provide إن شاء الله

Said there are three things according to Imam Shafi'i رحمة الله عليه

1. Placing of Meezan - stones at the headend and footend of the grave.

2. Sprinkling of water over the grave.

3. Placing of two green twigs over the grave.

Also that it is permissible if anyone desires any particular place at a graveyard as this is proven from sahabah رضي الله عنهم ..

duas..

wa Assalam..

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 18:21

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May you please ask the Shaykh if it is considered Sunnah in the Shafi' madhab to place the green twigs, since it was only ever done once.

Having the basis is there, but it shouldn't mean that we make it a regular act as can be seen here.

Why, If the Prophet (saw)

did something, it doesnt make it a Sunnah!

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2014 18:23

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He said it was sunnah according to Shafi'i Madhab.. to do it regularly or not.. i shall clarify إن شاء الله

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