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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:36
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3) the group is being funded by another nation/intelligence to spew their materials filled with hatred and garbage propaganda. Problem here is yes maybe but it also begins to sound like a conspiracy theory.
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:36
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Yep and they're changing on a daily basis, I still remember the era of floppy discs lol.

My point was/is that not many groups etc have managed to keep up and therefore are being left behind, and others simply turn a blind eye to it despite having access to funding, resources, expertise etc
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:47

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Sincerity and Technical expertise are two separate matters.

The Sufees are insanely sincere to their Hazrats and fall over each other to try to propagate every dream, every Kashf, every Malfoozat out of their lips. The Madkhalees were the first to create fancy “refutation pdf’s” detailed with references etc. Al-Maghrib are the Masters of marketing in our times, employing some of the best talent and paying top money for it. Yawar Baig (HA) worked at top 100 companies around the world, demands and dictates professionalism to the letter. Dr Zakir Naik has industrial bouts of ACD on his video editing. Compare their output to Jihadees who are apparently being hunted down, in hiding with limited resources and the output matches (or often exceeds).

Take a good look at Boko Haram abduction video on “BBC”, are you really telling me that its shot by an organisatio which says University education is Haram? Limited resources? Hunted down by Government? 

When I first looked at SOS (Abu Hamza) material in London it was so far ahead that my mind instantly said that something isn't right. I knew the Mosque, I knew their financial situation, I knew who was with them (Algerian immigrants not local Asian computer geeks) and now we know that he worked for MI-5!

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:50
Abu Hamza was a strange case. Actually forget Algerians he was surrounded by Jamaicans. Algerians had their own clique
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 11:03
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I lived in London at that time and prayed at that Mosque, it was Algerians and do remember many meetings between Maulana Imran (HA) and Abu Hamza and others.

I remember the Masjid being abused, Algerian immigrants keeping it dirty, breaking doors down when Maulana Imran (HA) and committee locked it...They cooked indoors in Masjid hallways (disconnected fire alarms) and YET their monthly magazine and videos were always free to pickup and distribute.

I remember the glossy professional poster about US Army and Homo-sexuality (free and there were thousands in color).

In front of Masjid Quba Zarb-e-Mumin (translated in Luton) used to be sold for a quid after Jummah, remember those days?
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 11:09
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I remember those days. Though our dharb e mumin source was a shop in green st. Still from what I know abu Hamza was closer to the jamicans than the Algerians. Abu Hamza once gave a khutbah against my friend. Dissed the long hair and clean shaven face. So what is the deal with abu Hamza. If he was M15 why is he in prison?
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 11:13

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His defense team has stated that he worked with MI5 and it was obvious except to the most blind from day one that he wasn't in London to spread Islam.

There were many Algerian immigrants with Abu Hamza and some of them sidelined Maulana Imran (HA) and gave Khutbahs (when Abu Hamza wasn't around), British intelligence is known to have many Algerian immigrant Assets around London...

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 11:15
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They are called "Agent Provocateurs"

Heard a lecture about one who was involved in the WTC incidents in 1993.

The guy was framed by the FBI who made him setup another Shaykh, but the agent recorded all his conversations with the FBI and exposed them too. But he still went behind bars!

They make people do their dirty work, blame the Muslims and then put them away for ever. No one ever gets to find out what happened
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 11:16
So why is abu Hamza in prison now if MI5? Genuine question. I am aware his defence used the argument.
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 11:20
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 11:28
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See here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur He was used, set up and framed. Chapter closed. Muslims given a bad name, many innocent people killed and framed. Mission accomplished!

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 11:29
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Hard to believe bro. I would personally give him husne dhann considering he is disabled and most likely subject to a very harsh sentence. From the BBC article it seems like the prosecuation dismissed the argument. Khair each shall have to answer
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 11:32
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Do you know what he did in Bosnia? Do you not know that he was evicted by the Mujahideen of Bosnia for creating Fitnah and disuniting the believers?

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 11:34
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No I am not aware. Still even if he did that it does not make him an agent.
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 11:36
The problem is, when someone gets used for a cause they believe to be correct, they will accept the deal knowing/thinking that they are serving the deen and getting help doing it. At the time, it all seems nice and easy. But the bigger motive only appears when the job is done.

No court will ever accept that the police have been involved because they know what it takes to get what they want!
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