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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 09:37

Asslamo Allaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

Someone was showing me videos of their little girl (3 years old or so) and they had taken the videos and added all sorts of effects (like flying, disappearing etc) so while I watched out I asked the technical details as to which applications they used to add the effects to the videos (shot on the mobile) etc.

This person is a technical Guru and it took them hours and hours of playing around to get grainy, smudgy rudimentary videos.

When I look around the Internet (youtube in particular) I see many professional and competent Muslims struggling editing videos and adding effects, they work on it diligently until they have 1-2 effects which they Master and then they recycle it, see HanafiFiqhChannel etc.

Yet when you see Jihadi videos, they are superbly shot (choreographed), expertly edited and dubbed with excellent subtitles? And then the circumstances around the certain episodes are incredulous, consider Boko Haram:

  1. Abducted 200 girls
  2. Transported them to a remote location (somehow managed to hide that)
  3. Dressed them up in Abayas
  4. Gave backdrops of Flags and guys with AK47's
  5. Superbly crafted video messages

All in a developing country with rudimentary technical skills, patchy media.

Then I look at TTP (Tehrek-e-Taliban Pakistan), their PDF, magazine, videos, press conferences are SO FAR ahead of the rest of the Deobandees of Pakistan that its unreal! In a country where Deobandees have major resources and expertise, a movement surrounded in secrecy and obscurity, hiding from authorities and being hunted down is able to issue superbly crafted press releases (in Urdu, English and Arabic), do great media Interviews and their magazines and pdf’s are a million times better than any other Deobandi production in the country.

Why is that?

 

 

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 09:51
Hmm. Could be that many of these groups are in the pockets of foreign agencies and their allies. This would be true in some cases not all. With regards to the other reason well j people are the most dedicated to their cause once on the front line. This does not always make them right and the vast majority of these groups disappoint me greatly. So off-course if you are going to give it 110% and give your life you will try and give 110% to making a video and anything else you have to do. Another issue is that a lot of these groups their main dawah is online. You hardly hear of them doing open dawah as it is forbidden in many countries. This attracts computer geeks. All in all having analysed these groups closely sad to say the vast majority are astray and will not yield many results due to a number of reasons. The chaos caused by them is the norm not the exception.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:04

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Consider one example in Pakistan of Jamiatur-Rasheed (Karachi) which has a university and attracts the best of Talent in their Darul-uloom and their Charity, been running 2 newspapers for the last 15 years and employ the best of Talent (pay top money) as Mufti Abu Lubaba Shah Mansoor (HA) insists on it and they are also Jihadees

Look at the quality of their output compared to TTP.

Shaykh (Mufti) Rasheed Ahmed Ludhyanwi (RA) was a stickler for quality and stuck with the same printers for his works due to superior prood-reading (see foreword of Ahsanul-Fatawaa).

How is TTP come in the last few years and absolutely hammer every Deobandi Darul-uloom and institute in the country in terms of professionalism and quality?

Take a look at Haqqforum (Urdu Deobandi forum) for examples of videos on Kashmir, ideology of Pakistan etc...I mean these videos are mind boglingly good!

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:05
السلام عليكم

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Perhaps we shouldn't call Boko Haram a 'jihadi' group. What they are doing is not jihad, its terrorism.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:05
The whole issue of Boko Haram is a joke and to be honest the Nigerian govt is in on it somehow I bet, which has led this issue to be prolonged. Boko Haram is only getting so much coverage because its a large number of girls involved and the abductors happen to be some Islamist nut job who's leader was inspired by God himself to abduct the girls.

Some groups put a lot of focus on media coverage, making vids and editing them, if groups like TTP use this to their advantage, what's their to be surprised about ?? In India, Pakistan the average kid is a computer expert in one way or another, just look at the IT industry here in the UK most will be Pakistani or Indian. It's not hard in countries like that to get hold of a computer expert. The Deobandee's choose not to take avail of this and that's about it really.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:09

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The same average kid of India/Pakistan is also Deobandi, Barelwee or whatever and also making videos of their Ulamah, doing pdf's creating websites, blogs You have to literally witness some of the Urdu output to compare the contrast in quality.

Boko-Haram is just Hollywood! 200 girls transported around the country, dressed in Abayas and superbly good quality videos taken in a country with not so developed media

And when these videos are beamed across TV screens they are coreographed in a way that an Indian Hindu from Tamil-Nadu to a a White Supermist in Texas is instantly able to recognise, identify and loathe them.

There are tons of amateur youtubers around the world and they cannot “consistently” produce such good quality output!

I am Sorry but I don't understand this...

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:13

There is a typo in the name of Boko Haram, its actually

Boko = Haram

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:14
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Bro jamiat ur Rasheed is not what you think it is. Mufti Rasheed ahmed ludhianvi rh hardly had a hand in it due to his health towards the end of his life. Both al Rasheed trust and al Akhtar trusts are thieves utilizing the names of buzrugs. Mufti abu lubaba is a sincere and good person but his brother is a person responsible for firing on muslims....enough said bro but these Pakistani groups and others are a major headache and should not be dealt with. The current principle of jamiat ur Rasheed mufti abdur raheem has taken an anti j stance...jamiat ur Rasheed is not the same as before. Even before I found their iftaa students not up to the mark.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:15
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I am not discussing Darul-uloom and Islamic education here. I am talking about their MBAs and technical people. Hakeem Akhtar (HA) also had some of the top technical boys in Karachi as his Mureeds.

Again, not discussing Shariah here but something else...

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:17
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If these people manage to get hold of people who are experts, and in those parts of the world it's not that hard to find them, then what's the issue ?

To me it seems like what I stayed above that 'some groups have put some effort and resources into social media side of things and whereas others are happy with the shabby/poor standards' that they have been using for years.

The computers are a funny/dangerous thing akhii, if you know how you can do virtually anything with it.

Look at our ulema how many have turned up on YouTube over the years compared to a decade ago, how many have revised their fatwas and come online in video form to give dawah as no one is interested in audios no more, in fact I know many who won't even listen to a audio, technology is changing and many are keeping up but many are failing and are happy with their poor standards from years ago. That's what it seems to me, coukd be wrong though.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:18
I studied at the institute in Saudia which translates the famous Salafi islam-qa.com into English and other languages and I also know who works their, their capability and qualifications.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:23
Its really hard to believe the Media these days. No one really knows what the truth and whats fake. Who really said what etc.

its a farce!

Personally don't believe everything and don't like any of the groups for what ever they have to say. I only ask Allah to accept that which is correct and to destroy those who give Muslims and Humanity a bad name.

As far as I'm concerned, there may be a few select who are on Haqq and the rest are funded by the big boys who only see capital gains.

I'm only happy with what Allah is Happy with and if I never find out who they are, at least I wont be supporting terrorists.

An old movie which spoke volumes "Wag the Dog" (No I'm not asking anyone to watch it)
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:23
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You don't me professionally but suffice to know that I do have some knowledge :P and I am Sorry but I am not buying the Theory that Jihadees are recruiting Indian/Pakisatni geeks who are so far out of their countrymen that its frightening.

India/Pakistan has forums and User groups with hundreds of Deoandees, Barelwees and Ahle-Hadeeth at each others throats, arguing bickering 24/7 and believe me that they try their utmost to outdo each other because they are infatuated by their "sect" and how to present the work of their Akabir in the most professional manner


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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:26
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Look at our ulema how many have turned up on YouTube over the years compared to a decade ago


A decade ago, these facilities weren't readily available!

There was a time when we had to write letters and post it and wait for weeks for a reply to come from abroad, today we email, text etc. Times have changed!
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2014 10:34
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Fair enough brother I do see your point, look at this way.

Who's responsible for the professional vids :

1) members working for said groups ( internal recruitment ) somebody inside who has good skills at IT

2) someone outside - a paid geek or a sympathiser for the groups cause

3) the group is being funded by another nation/intelligence to spew their materials filled with hatred and garbage propaganda. Problem here is yes maybe but it also begins to sound like a conspiracy theory.

4) some have put an effort on the social media and some haven't (my view) - yes people argue day and night on forums all over the world, but how many actually have a say in what happens in these top organisations that the members feel so passionately about ? Virtually None.

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