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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2014 07:05
If fatwa is the pass mark & taqwa is to be the best, then for the purposes of Dunya we don't seek just to pass so why the opposite attitude to Deen? Feel free to disagree.
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2014 07:05
P.s: I'm sure even imam abu hanifa ra wudve never said abt the sheep matter to anyone. That fatwa is you can eat but taqwa entails that u stay away from eating any meat in the area for 7 years.

I guess its in a way self praise, like fatwa is its okay but since I'm such a muttaqi person, taqwa entails........

Fatwa - u can keep money in banks
Taqwa - don't

How many people follow this taqwa? If u tell someone tht taqwa entails no muslim should ever go near a bank, they'd come up with a million reasons and fatwas. Taqwa says stay away from even islamic banks bcoz in the end they all deal with state bank and there is a difference of opinion. How many people follow taqwa here?

Fatwa - u can eat in restaurants
Taqwa - don't eat outside

How many people follow this?

And the list goes on.......
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2014 07:10
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So ur saying followers of taqwa vs fatwa never sin?

''The idea is that you give the masses the least they can do to "pass". But most people may end up doing more.''

This is the reason there is something called 'tawbah' and 'istighfar'.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2014 07:12
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Misyar nikkah is 'misused' a lot over here. Arabs come from overseas get married to young local girls and then they just leave the country without taking the girls and without divorce. The girls have to spend their whole life in misery. It is mentioned in the fatwa itself to avoid such misyar nikkahs.


Eating meat is halal right? Umar ibn al Khattabرضي الله عنه during his rule didn't allow people to eat meat on two consecutive days.

No one here is talking bad about people who follow just the fatwa. More often people don't even follow the fatwas or Shariah. But if they want more reward they can go and do the extra mile.

I suppose thats the different levels of Imaan, Islam and Ihsaan.


Kindly do not misunderstand us of disrespecting the shariah. That is not the intent of anyone in this thread.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2014 07:13
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2014 10:09

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Hazrat,

I am Sorry but your examples are incorrect.

  1. A wrong Fatwa is wrong so you can't act on something which has been established as wrong.
  2. Smoking has always been Makrooh so again a person cannot act on it.

A person is required to act on a Fatwa and that's fine and acceptable. Rest is Tassawuff so don't mix it with Fiqh. Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) and Shaykh (Mufti) Ebraheem Desai (HA) disagree on something then a laymen has a choice to take either of the opinion and its fine and there is no blame on the laymen.

There is NO REQUIREMENT to act on Taqwa, the REQUIREMENT is to act on FATWA. So if a person does Nikah Misyaar or whatever and it is backed by Fatwa of reliable Ulamah you can't censor that (no matter how you personally feel about it).

The basic obligation is to consult Ulamah and the person has done it.

 

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2014 10:55
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Misyar nikkah is 'misused' a lot over here. Arabs come from overseas get married to young local girls and then they just leave the country without taking the girls and without divorce. The girls have to spend their whole life in misery. It is mentioned in the fatwa itself to avoid such misyar nikkahs.
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This is a seperate issue and its called zulm. If we come to the logic that since abc is misuesed that's why it should be discouraged then every aspect of islam is misued one way or the other. There shud be fatwas against everything. For examples, fatwa is that u can become alim and study in madressah but because today ilm is used for personal gains that's why taqwa entails that no muslim should ever go near a madressah.

(Normal) nikah is halal but because people misuse it taqwa entails that no muslim should go near nikah.

There r many underlying causes of the problem u mentioned. One of them is poverty.

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Eating meat is halal right? Umar ibn al Khattab during his rule didn't allow people to eat meat on two consecutive days.
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So? How does this fit here? He was Ameer ul momineen/ruler. The masaail of a ruler are different than that of a mufti who has no authority.

Anyways there r a thousand of ways to go the extra mile in deen other than telling others that taqwa entails ..........
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2014 11:11
Dearest brother,

Please correct me but my understanding is a bit confused on the issue. Some ulema allow taking many concessions on issues as it shows one's weakness in front of ALLAH. Others state that the best method is to adopt the strictest opinion in all matters. Others state that one should follow the stricter positions in general and then take a ruksah (within madhab or outside) in extreme neccesity. Bro I am just confused on the issues and genuinely asking. I have heard that one of the early deobandi elders wanted to compile a book of fiqh and guidelines where the practices of the layman would be valid at least in one of the schools of fiqh.
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2014 11:49
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Yes I get your point.

Marriage to ahle kitab is legal. Will you encourage it or discourage it?
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2014 21:30
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Arslan. -- the example u gave is incorrect. Its not taqwa vs fatwa. According to hanafi madhab uve left wajibs so ur salah wud be wajib ul i'aadah.that's the fatwa not taqwa. You are required to pray properly with surah fatiha and min 3 ayats by FATWA not taqwa. [/quote]

I was talking about the bare minimum. And the bare minimum you can do after which you can say you've done your salah is to do the Fardh acts. Leaving the waajibaat does not invalidate the salah, but will leave you sinful. So the fatwa is that if you do the fardh acts you will be regarded as having done your salah, albeit with sin.

But lets say I did the waajibaat also, but then consistently left the sunan and mustahab without an excuse. I would still be sinful, but according to the fatwa my salah is still regarded as done. So my point in all this is: If I restrict myself to just following the fatwa, I won't necessarily be doing the ideal. The ideal would be to go above and beyond the minimum, this is what I mean by taqwa. The fatwa does not always give you the most taqwa-inclined ruling.

Rarely will a fatwa about fiqh of salah tell you about the importance of khusu'. It will generally only cover the actions and phrases. Khusu' does not affect the validity of salah, yet a person of taqwa will put a massive amount of importance on khusu' and khudu'. The fatwa didn't require that of him, but taqwa does.

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So ur saying followers of taqwa vs fatwa never sin?


No, not at all....

And what do you mean by "followers"? Its not cult... In fact, its not even a principle that has to be followed by anyone, as mentioned by Maulana Muadh already.

[quote="streetfighter"]This is the reason there is something called 'tawbah' and 'istighfar'.


Dont know what that has to do with what I said...

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2014 21:39
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I out of taqwa I'll let my wife cook. :)
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd March 2014 00:09
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Again marriage to ahle kitab is not a matter of taqwa vs fatwa.
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd March 2014 01:08
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The great scholar Abu Bakr Jasass narrates in 'Quranic Decrees' through Hadhrat Shaqeeq bin Salmah that Hadhrat Huzaifah bin Al-Yaman radiyallahu anhu, during the Caliphate of Umar radiyallahu anhu travelled to an area known as Madain, where he married a Jewish woman. When this information was reported to Hadhrat Umar radiyallahu anhu he wrote a letter to him ordering him to divorce her.

Hadhrat Huzaifah radiyallahu anhu upon receiving the letter divorced the woman and wrote back enquiring whether the Jewish woman was unlawful for him. The Leader of the Faithful, Umar radiyallahu anhu replied, 'I do not claim that the Ahl-e-Kitaab women are unlawful on Muslim men, but because chastity and modesty are rarely to be found within them I fear that their repulsive qualities will filter into Muslim homes.'


I ve nothing to discuss about this anymore.

Wasalaam.
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd March 2014 08:11
The title of this thread is fatwa vs taqwa and u r talking about brazil vs argentina.

What's ur point exactly in quoting an offtopic incident?
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd March 2014 10:45
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I was specifically talking about the imperative importance of taqwa in general.

Unlike yourself, the vast majority of laypeople today are unaware of, or incapable of gauging the validity or invalidity of the various opinions of scholars on each issue e.g. smoking, riba transactions, photographs, television, etc.

Even amongst deobandi graduates today it's no longer rare to find those who smoke and justify its permissibility or its 'only' makruh tanzeeh status.

Thus, for a layperson who is confronted with two different sets of rulings - one set stating permissibility the others stating prohibition, then the best option for him is to take the path of taqwa and abstain from what appears to be doubtful to him.

I mentioned two other points:

1) Sahabahs (radhiyallahu anhum) possessed highest level of taqwa and would go the extra mile.

2) There are many different levels of taqwa and that one of the important aspects of it is abstaining from doubtful matters.

Could you be more specific what other 'examples' you deemed to be 'incorrect' from the above and we can then focus on that inshAllah.
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