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#76 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2014 10:49
The addition of today's era in my original post is clearly in brackets and the word "especially" has been used, so basically no era has been excluded by me. I just think that it takes for example a youngster in today's enviroment much more courage (or Taqwa) to simply accept and act upon a reliable Fatwa (whatever the ruling might be) than in earlier times, because the masses of today "care less" about what a Mufti has to say anyway. So, it has always been Taqwa.

And you're right, without personal contact it would be quite hard to ascertain the condition of a questioner. The thought was based on the incident I once heard, but unfortunately can't really retell. Jazak'Allah khayran for answering my question.
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#77 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2014 10:55
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I dont disagree with what you are saying, as that is true as well. I just thought that the slightest of action we make, Allah Tala accounts us for that ,so the mere thought and good intention , which is based on the principle that i do not want to disobey Allah, could be counted down as being mutaqi for that person in the sight of Allah.
Again, this is talking just for this person and his personal decision making intention, which Allah Tala is only judging and rewarding him for that. This does not mean the other people doing their best and in good faith and intention adopting the other position are in any way more or less. But we cannot say with any surety that Allah Tala will not reward this person, who not because he wanted to be a toughie, but only because he is afraid to sin and err takes on the sure short and confirmed position, sacrificing the ease. The only factor here was his fear of Allah Tala ( which is a form of adopting taqwa) so how can we be so sure that Allah Tala will not reward and count him as one of his mutaqi, atleast in this matter. Allah hu Alam, my humble feeling is such good intention,caution and action is rewarded by Allah Tala, even though in reality there is no harm at all in following the other position.
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#78 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2014 11:01

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Hazrat,

I can sort of understand what you and Brother Siraj are trying to imply in theory.

But Islamic Shariah is based on laymen consulting Ulamah and acting on their advice.

Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) has written in Islahi Khutbaat that an additional condition is to ensure that the Mufti being consulted is a person of Taqwa and practises Sunnah himself. You can say that for laymen this is Taqwa (to consult the right Ulamah).

We then went to Shaykh (Maulana) Yaqoob Qasmi (HA) who is arguable one of the best amongst the Fuqaha in Europe and we asked him:

Q): What is Taqleed for laymen?

A): He (HA) replied, "Find an Alim who is known for his Taqwa and practise of Sunnah, asks him and acts on his advice!

Exclusions:

  1. This automatically excludes Hazrat London786's Al-Azhar "Mullahs" with thin OR shaved beards, aligning themselves to Government and issuing fishy dodgy Fatwas
  2. This automatically excluses people like Shaykh (Hamza Yusuf) who are into free-mixing OR Mufti Abu Layth al-Maliki who simply doesn't fit the people of Taqwa
  3. This automatically answers Hazrat Siraj's objections because the laymen has investigated and referred his/her matter to a person of Taqwa. This is also in line with the Hadeeth quoted by Hazrat Siraj i.e. the laymen has done his or her job by selecting a person of Taqwa

Job is done for him or her on the day of judgement.

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#79 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2014 11:09
Ok. Jazak'Allah khayran, Hadhrat. Is there any literature available by Shaykh Yaqoob Qasmi (hafizahullah)?

Just to clarify, Guest-173681 is not me. I didn't see all the new replies when posting my last post.
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#80 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2014 11:10
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Well based on the above conditions and clarifications, i then fully agree that any fatwa given by the Ahlul Taqwa ( adherents to sunnah) is safe to follow.
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#81 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2014 11:10
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Incorrect. (yep, I'm allowed to use this word as well). Incorrect. Incorrect. Incorrect.

The example you gave is false analogy.

My examples were in the cases where it was possible to abstain from the ikhtilaf. In your example, it is a case of "either this method of Qurbani, or that method of Qurbani" - there is no room for abstention. Have you heard of the term "wara'" (scrupulousness). This is a level of Taqwa which you can find countless examples. Once you remove taqwa as the target, then haram is where the arrow will inevitably fall - this is exactly what the hadith says.

You also seem to have a problem in understanding. I hadn't said "unified" for everyone. It was a way of explaining to you the meaning of Hadith on those matters in which Halal is clear and Haram is clear. In these events, the fatwa of every mufti is unified. Obviously, in the doubtful (shubuhat), there will be a multiplicity of Fatawa. Once more, sensationalism, twisting something to suit your opinion and discredit the other. You are also claiming an "usooli" basis but equally, all you have done is blow more hot air than anyone else on this thread :) taste of one's own medicine.

Finally, your point about "seeking a taqwa abiding scholar". Well why is there this requirement? Where is your Usooli proof for this? How can a layman assess what is Taqwa? What's wrong with Shaykh Hamza Yusuf and Mufti Abu Layth because they are scholars aren't they? Or are you telling the layman to now judge how much Taqwa a scholar has? Where is your Usooli proof for this? It all sounds like a lot of hot air to me.
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#82 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2014 11:20

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That is ALL I have been saying from point ONE.

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#83 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2014 11:21
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JazakAllah khayrun for clarifying :)
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#84 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2014 11:29

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Hazrat,

Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) and our other Akabie define how to find an Alim (or a Shaykh) of that matter and we consult other Ulamah and look for their opinion on that matter.

Some examples for (us laymen):

  1. We know that Ulamah endorse Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) and we know that he endorses his students like Shaykh (Mufti) Zubair Butt (HA) in UK
  2. We know that Shaykh (Mufti) Mahmood Gangohi (RA) gave hand written permission to Shaykh (Mufti) Zubair Dudha (HA)in UK
  3. We know that South African and other English speaking Ulamah trust and recommend Shaykh Ebraheem Desai (HA) and askimam.org

So we (as laymen) trust these Ulamah, ask them for Masa'il and act on it and we have fulfilled our duty.

Your saying "incorrect (even a million times)" doesn't change the facts on the ground at all since you are neither saying giving any substantive examples nor quoting anything specific, you are simply arguing for the sake of arguing.

You have YET to give any example or any reference as to how any of the above is NOT Taqwa!

Now lets get to where these Ulamah disgaree, a laymen is free to take any of the opinion of Ulamah (who are known to be trustworthy and men of Sunnah). Since you are disagreeing its your own responsibility to give examples and references of:

  1. Laymen is supposed to act on a UNITED Fatwa (don't even know where you get this from)!
  2. Laymen is supposed to act on a HARSHER or STRONGER Fatwa

There is NO USOOL in Islam to force your version of Taqwa down people's throats (at all).

You may disagree with an opinion of an Alim like Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) or Shaykh Ebraheem Desai (HA)but YOU CANNOT force laymen to abandon acting on it on your version of Taqwa!

The Usool (which you have termed hot air in trying to copy me) is well known and you are simply arguing for the sake of arguing. One one hand you are arguing in favour of Taqwa on the other hand you are arguing in favour of someone who is a free-mixer!

DON'T LET MY HATRED turn you away from the Sunnah of Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) and the Deen of Allah (SWT). Argue on principles and that's fine but don't let your emotions get the better of you.

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#85 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2014 11:55

Islahi Khutbaat (Volume 7): Last Chapter "Contemporary issues and responsibility of Ulamah by Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA)

Not sure if this volume has been translated into English?

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#86 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2014 12:59
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The whole set is available in English
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#87 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2014 14:06
okay my brother, you definitely do know-it-all. Until you stop mis-representing my points, no way of getting through to you. see my first two responses to you, it's all still there.

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#88 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2014 14:28
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Hazrat,

Perhaps if you DROP the hatred, DROP the presumption and speak in a manner which can be understood it may HELP?
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#89 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 07:35
Much of what all parties are saying in this thread appears to be correct.

It would be better if brothers stop prematurely accusing others of being incorrect without even having fully understood what's being said. It only serves to unnecessarily inflame the discussion.
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#90 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 10:04
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Dearest bhai let me use another example. One of the biggest muftis in the UK gives a fatwa that it is ok for women to be taught by male driving instructors. My ghairat, little research, imaan etc cannot tolerate this. What I am saying is that there has to be some limit to this. So if I am of the people that does not know and follows the above fatwa by a big mufti is that ok? With regards to the darul harb issue well if I dropped a name you would be shocked.....Let me give you another example. X,y,z muftis say a conventional mortgage is allowed for only 1 property whilst mufti a,b,c says it is not. If I follow x,y,z is that ok and will it be genuine ijtihaad....
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