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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 18:53
MashaAllah superb thread. Despite being a born Muslim I was ignorant about the Khilafat and its central role in Islam until 3-4 years back. Such threads will inshaallah educate other Muslims.

I like the suggestion of Muadh bhai's micro-khilafat. This can be done in various levels.
I used to think about having khilafat run Muslim micro-nation, some nation which is not politically relevant away from too much scrutiny. But its really idealistic, All Muslims countries seems to be politically relevant in the current senario.

But we should really really ponder upon Rasoolullah (saw) 's Prophesy about the Khilafat. I can't find the exact hadith, but it relayed the message that :
The Khilafath will give way to kings and kings to tyrants and in the same way it will return to kingship and then righteous Khilafath.

We are at a stage of U turn from the tyrants I suppose, now we should work towards the righteous kingship. So as london bhai mentioned we should support leaders like Morsi who are atleast decent and have and Islamic vision. We shouldn't expect an Umar ibn Abdul Azizرضي الله عنه right away.

I agree with a lot of the points mentioned above, certainly enlightening our future generations about this issue is top priority. But the main 'catalyst' for khilafat to return is top class ulema e haqq. A handful of them can influence Millions of people and Billion of people in the future for centuries by Allah's will.

This thread needs to stay alive, It is through these discussions that the morale of Muslims will improve and eventually result in actions, inshaAllah.
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 15th February 2014 11:03
The first problem I see is that why do Muslims (Ulamah included) don't realize the importance of this matter? Why is it that those who are graduates of universities (like HT etc) grasp this simple point.

Where are our practicing Brothers and Sisters going wrong? Why don't they hear it from the mimbars? When was the last time there was a Bayan on this subject by any of the mainstream big Mashaykh and Ulamah? Why do not consider this important?
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 15th February 2014 13:45
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

When we stop violating the commands of Allah Ta'ala on a mass scale, then getting back the gift of Khilafah will come, as is promised in the Qur'an. There's many violations that have caused the snatching away of Khilafah but, in particular some of the main violations are:

  • Leaving of Da'wah
  • Openly consuming Riba
  • Openly committing Zina
  • Bearing hatred for Ulama
  • Grand construction of market places
  • Arranging marriage for the consumption of wealth (and not on the basis of Taqwa). etc...


Crux is, according to this Hadith:

Rasulullah (saw) said: "As you are (meaning as is your piety and religious soundness) so will be the rulers that are set over you."

(Mishkat al-Masabih)

Tafsir of Ayah 55 in Surah An-Nur, from Anwarul Bayan. Page 604-605

archive.org/stream/IlluminatingDiscoursesOnTheNobleQurant...


Some old stuff from sunniforum (links are dead, though):

What is Khilafah?

Question:

I would like to know what is true Khilafah. Because at my university there is a group called Hizb-ut-Tahrir and they say its a duty for Muslims to join their group because they are the only ones trying to establish Khilafah on the method of RasulAllah (saw).

But I find them to be very argumentative and very critical of everyone else. I read articles on Khilafah and found out this is an obligation. But a lot of people dont even know about this. Why don't our scholars talk about this topic? And also what should we be doing to work towards fulfilling this obligation, should I join the Hizb?


Answer:

BismiLlahi-r-Rahmani-r-Rahim

I do not advise you to join this group as their methodology has many discrepancies. Perhaps the following reply I wrote to a person with a similar question may be of help to you: I read the article you sent me with the evidence you wish to be explained. Namely, it is the hadith in Sahih Muslim about dying without a Bay`ah on one's neck. Please note, contrary to what HT members may think, we (non HT supporters) do not argue that this hadith cannot be used to prove the obligation of Khilafah (p.4). The article is actually a refutation of the abhorrent view of secularists like Ali Abd al-Razzaq (a deviant Azhari scholar, who effectively said there is no such thing as a State run according to the precepts and principles of the Deen).

The hadith clearly is telling us of a state/situation that should not exist, and if it does, it needs to be changed. The hadith goes on to establish blame for those who live in such a situation, as understood by the term "...death of Jahiliyya." However, you must remember blameworthiness is actually always dependent on negligence. And no scholar would ever count as blameworthy a person who is wishing for change, and believes in the importance of Islamic rule, but considers Khilafa (vicegerancy in the earth) to be a gift that Allah taala bestows upon the believers by virtue of them deserving it, due to their greater fear of Allah taala (shown by their obedience to Him), Ikhlaas and piety, as is understood from many texts, such as: "Allah has promised those of you who believe and do good deeds that He will certainly make them (His) vicegerents in the land, as He made those before them, and will certainly establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them, and will certainly give them peace in place of fear in which they were before; (provided that) they worship Me, ascribing no partner to Me. And those who turn infidel after that are the transgressors." (24:55)

Thus when this is his belief and he is striving to improve him/herself and those believers around him (by calling and counselling them to the Deen), not only is there no blame on him (as negligence cannot be ascribed to him and nor has any scholar ever done this), rather we would say he is acting fully in accordance with the intended purpose of this hadith, as he/she, in his/her real capacity, is working for the Khilafah. This is the Islamic understanding of "working for the Khilafah."

As for the idea that makes it seem as though it is just a matter of appointing a ruler or selecting different political system, that is an alien concept to Islam, and has clearly been formulated without consideration and full appreciation of the other many texts on this subject. One text was the verse mentioned above; the following are the other evidences that tell us the Ummah's being worthy of leadership/authority in the World is dependent on their fear and love of Allah taala, their obedience to Him and their general piety; and that when they stray from the Deen and engross themselves in sins, then they do not deserve any of the favours of Allah taala (from amongst which is Khilafah). Rather, then, they deserve only His punishment (which comes in the form of no authority in the World, the ruling of others over them, earthquakes, tornadoes etc.- May Allah forgive us and save us, Ameen).

[1] The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "A people among whom the consuming of interest and indulgence in adultery appears openly, have indeed invited Allah's wrath and anger upon themselves." Hafiz Mundhiri's "Al-Targheeb wal-Tarheeb".

[2] The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "My Ummah will continue to live on the path of good and prosperity for as long as there will be no great occurrence of illegitimate children among them. And when illegitimate children become widespread among them, Allah will cause a great tribulation to beset them," recorded in Hafiz al-Mundhiri's "Al-Targheeb wal-Tarheeb."

[3] The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings upon him) said: "You should continue to command people to do good deeds and forbid them from evil; otherwise Allah will put in authority over you the worst of people who will rule over you. At such a time the best amongst you will pray to Allah but their Duas will not be answered." (Mustadrak of Imam al-Hakim).

[4] The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings upon him) said: "As you are (meaning as is your piety and religious soundness) so will be the rulers that are set over you." (Mishkat al-Masabih)

[5] The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings upon him) said: "When my Ummah will begin to bear hatred against their scholars and when they shall make the construction of market places great and grand, when marriage will be arranged to accumulate wealth (I.e. the consideration of piety and Deen in the partner will no longer be the standard for the believer), then Allah will set four calamities over them: Famine, the oppression of rulers, dishonesty of the officials administering their affairs and the attacks of other nations." (Mustadrak of Imam al-Hakim).

Thus, my sincere advice, is that you devote yourself to learning the Deen and Dawah- in this way you have fulfilled what you are truly responsible for. You should make a careful study of the Holy Qur'an for which, if you do not know Arabic, obtain the English translated commentary called "Ma`arif al-Qur'an" by Mufti Shafi r.a. You should also seek the company of scholars and try to learn Aqeeda and Islamic sciences from them such as the Fiqh of Salah, purification, buying and selling, marriage etc. Finally, you should also try to find scholars who are experts in spiritual reform and also turn your attention to your inner purification and perfection as ultimately, on the Day of Reckoning, without doubt, how successful we are depends on how clean and pure our inner self and heart is: "The day when neither wealth nor sons shall profit except for him who comes to God with a pure heart." (26:28-29)

was salaam

Sajaad

Mufti Mohammed Sajjad

Wallahu Aalam bis-sawab

Please remember us in your Duas...

The answer to this question is the opinion of the scholar and does not reflect the opinion of other scholars of As-Suffa Institute and As-Suffa Institute as an organisation.


Quotes from askimam.org on the topic:

1) The respect and dignity of the Ummah is based on correct beliefs and practices. If there is a discrepancy in correct beliefs and practices then this Ummah can never achieve the desired respect and dignity.

2) Every Ummati must use his energies in exerting himself in the right direction. To exert one's energies in the wrong direction for right cause is futile.

3) What is point in working towards a Khalifah when an effort in reforming the Ummah is not conducted as required? Who will then respect the Khalifah? Who will the Khalifah control?

4) One should be practical and revive a world wide reformation process of the Ummah. That can only commence if every individual reforms himself, his family and friends. Allah says "Oh you who believe, hold firm to yourself. The deviation of others will not harm you if you're guided."

5) The success of this Ummah is in carrying out the basic duties of Islam, 5 daily salaah, women maintaining their chastity and good character to all Muslims and non-Muslims. This Ummah will achieve through this what is expected and desired through Khilafah. We will then be respected even by non-Muslims as was the condition of the Ummah of the past.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai


Islam is not against politics but it forms an integral part of Islam.

The Deobandis are not against politics. It is just that they don't wish to meddle in today's dirty politics. They are employing a more positive approach in spreading the Deen of Allah. Sure, we need to work towards the establishment of a proper Islamic state but we do also need proper leaders and good Muslims.

We commend all the other movements who are doing good work.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Muhammad Kadwa
FATWA DEPT.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 24th February 2014 16:12
Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra:

'We are under no obligation to establish, if you like, Islamic states or Islamic societies. I would be lying to you if I said to you that there aren't a handful of Muslims who have these funny ideas, who believe that the be all and end all of everything in life for Muslims is to establish the Islamic rule all over the world. That is not the case. Muslims are required in their personal lives to live lives of decent human beings obedient to God and do what's good for society. And if others like that and they want to buy in to it and join, well and good. If they don't, that's fine.'

'For example, when it comes to Christmas. For years we have noticed how Christmas is being pushed aside. As a person of faith I would like to see, the religious festivals of other religions to be well established and celebrated by their followers, if not by everybody else. For example I was in Brussels with a group of religious leaders and it was over the Christmas period and when we went for a meal we had to go through the town centre and there they had a wonderful nativity scene: live sheep, the hay and the stables and everything and I began to wonder why is it that I cannot take my children in Leicester to the town hall square and show them what Christians believe about Jesus; how wonderful that story is for Christians.

Peter Hitchens: 'I have to say Ibrahim that you're giving a very nice but slightly softened version of what Muslims really believe. Islam does seek to be the religion of the whole world.'

The audio of this is available on Premier Christian Radio. The title of the programme is 'Unbelievable? 4 July 2009 - Peter Hitchens debates Islam.'

The link to the programme will be submitted to the originator of this thread brother Muadh Khan.
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 24th February 2014 16:19
What else could be expected from moghra saab??? The fool should read the Quraan again.
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 24th February 2014 16:19

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UNBELIEVABLE :(

Not many things which bring tears to your eyes!

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 24th February 2014 16:23
bhai muadh could you tell me more about moghra saab. All I know he used to attend the annual youth conference years ago when I was a kid and once shaykh riyadh db grilled him a bit about his views. Then I have seen him come as a spokesman for the muslims on media etc. I mean apart from having a long beard, turbun etc what is special about the guy and who made him the spokesman for the whole muslim community?
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 24th February 2014 16:57
Please keep personal negative opinions of ulama away from the main forum, if it is absolutely necessary for you to discuss such matters please move your discussion to the space provided for you.

Please remember to keep discussions constructive and maintain respect at all times.
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 24th February 2014 17:04
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Good question for Darul-uloom Bury and those in charge of it. If they can take pride in accomplishments publicly then surely they should also address failings or is it a one way street?

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 24th February 2014 17:12
Such are several comments of Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra that it's becoming difficult to honour him amongst the Ulama.
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 24th February 2014 17:12
I guess they would consider him a success after the whole christmas cards saga.
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 25th February 2014 00:33
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It'd be good if he and Shaikh Mumtazul Haq could meet so that the latter could advise him on the matter.


From Ma'ariful Qur'an:

the Holy Prophet�(saw) laid down the general principle of peace treaty with the infidels and pagans, thus:�إلا صلحا احل حراما أو حرم حلالا�(Every compromise is permitted except the one which turns prohibited things into lawful and lawful things into forbidden.) If the various peace proposals made by the pagans are carefully analyzed, they were all certainly and definitely purported to mix elements of pagan beliefs and practices with Islamic beliefs and practices, thus creating confusion; and in some cases they required Muslims to renounce Islam [albeit temporarily] and commit themselves to paganism. Surah Al-Kafirun denounces such treaties, and declares dissociation from paganism. Analyzing the peace pact with the Jews, on the other hand, it is seen clearly that it did not in anyway require Muslims to denounce or renounce Islam, nor did it require them to mix elements of un-Islamic beliefs with the true faith. Islam is the religion that stands for tolerance, kindness, politeness and peace more than any other religion. However, all these ethical principles can be applied in the matters of human rights. There is no room for compromise in the matter of Divine Law or the basic tenets of Divine religion. Allah knows best!

www.classicalislamgroup.com/index.php?view=tafseer/s109-v...
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 25th February 2014 16:06
From the Catholic Herald

"The concert, which will be broadcast on BBC Radio 3, features the singing of the "99 names of Allah" to solemn music composed by Sir John Tavener and commissioned by his friend Prince Charles.

The protesters were angry that the cathedral - considered to be the mother church of the 4.3 million Catholics of England and Wales - was seen to be honouring the Islamic notion of God."

However in relation to this Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra is quoted as saying:

"I have yet to hear the piece but the Koran encourages all Muslims to remember these beautiful attributes," said Sheikh Imam Ibrahim Mogra, a Leicester-based imam.

"They are often put to music because they are so wonderfully emotive. When you hear the words sung it creates a sense of ecstasy, a buzz."
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