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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 09:41

Disclaimer: This discussion is around the Academic and practical aspects of Khilafah

Asslamo Allaikum Wa Rahamatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

The central pivot of Islam is Khilafah (caliphate) so how do we "Go from where we are to where we should?"

 

 

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 10:26
salaam

do you mean to ask what practical steps we should be taking to return back to the khilafah?
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 10:32
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Yes globally, give us your thoughts Shaykh bearing in mind that this is a public forum.,
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 10:35
We can make dua to ALLAH and change our condition. Networking is very important. Try to work on both grassroots level as well as a top down approach. It is easier said than done. Whenever the next Islamic inclined ruler like Morsi HA comes into power do more to help him. Working on the ruling classes is the work of some mujadids and pir zulfiqar db, hazrat mujadid rh, hazrat ubaidullah ahrar rh worked in this way. This is probably the easiest and best way. In countries like Pakistan where the military is powerful then dawah needs to be given to them. Some sufi mashaikh like sufi Iqbal rh etc managed to make a lot of inroads into the Pakistani military. All the work needs to be done in a very careful manner as shown by the situation in Algeria and Egypt where in a swipe the powers of the tawagheet removed all religious inclined people from their posts in powerful positions. Brother Muadh all the above is easier said than done and I guess some mujadid will do the bulk of it. For us laymen I guess we just need to make dua and tawbah and when the turn comes to offer the ultimate sacrifice as such changes do not come without giving our lifes. May ALLAH accept our life for his deen amen.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 10:45
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How about having Micro-Khilafah i.e. ensuring that our institutes run under Mushwarah and Ameer so Muslims are not Alien to this concept as the Ummah has now become.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 10:51
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yes this is one thing. The first thing is that the concept needs to be discussed. The moment we say khilfat people automatically think you are HT or something. With regards to micro-khilafat don't we already have enough khulafah around....i.e. the tasawuff ones running things under their shaykh etc.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 11:04
Non of these are ever gonna get anywhere, be it micro or stealth!

There is so much disunity even in the very basics of our most important daily needs like Halal Food, Salah times, Dates and so on.

There's so much bickering within us (even within the same schools), its highly unlikely that we will even agree to disagree. It's just so chaotic.

But InshaAllah, one day!
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 11:08
brother abu muhammad I reckon the EU is a good example of how a khilafat can function. Even with bickering etc it can still work inshallah. Off-course it takes work and effort.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 11:12
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I was also going to give the example of EU, Subhanullah! If the Non-Muslims can manage why can't we?

Another example is India. Diverse nation with multiple languages, sects, dogmas yet the Federal Government keeps it together somehow
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 11:17
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i dont have any fully formulated ideas on how to achieve this - just fragmented thoughts. but i do feel that establishing a khilafah should be the greatest obligation for the collective ummah today. by this i am not arguing that khilafah is fard, but by establishing a khilafat we as an ummah can fulfill many of the faraid which are denied to us, or which are made difficult to carry out. we can safeguard ourselves from the onslaught of modern day kufr and its many offensive fronts, and we can unite and strengthen the ummah as a nation in the fields of economy, education, military/defence, agriculture, production, science/technology etc and go on to eradicate fitnah from this earth.

we already have the institutions and organisation required that can take the initial steps to start off and implement the idea of the khilafah in the hearts and minds of the muslims. such as tabligh jamaat, institutions of ulama, maktabs, madaris, publishing companies, individuals and organisations for financial requirements. the problem seems to be that the khilafah is so distant from the hearts and minds of muslims that our thoughts and efforts do not even go in that direction. we do not even see it as a viable option. the ulama and tabligh organisations are in a great position to start the ball rolling - but who is going to convince them of the importance of the khilafah?

another great obstacle are those in power. this includes leaders of muslim nations, leaders of non muslim nations, and even those lower down on the ladder such as leaders of organisations and institutions (who have influence over the people) who have become too comfortable in their seats of power - this includes ulama as well. the people on the lower rungs of the ladder tend to sway in favour of those who can offer and secure them power, so they can be easily influenced depending on which way the majority of the people will turn.

there will be many other obstacles from others who will be adversely affected by the establishment of a khilafah. and there are many such people/groups/nations. so it will never be a case of where we will be allowed to freely establish a khilafah.

it seems like khilafah can only be brought about through a revolution at the grassroots level. the revolution will first need to start in the hearts and minds of the muslims and then escalate from there all the way up the point where we will have to physically defend ourselves from those who do not want to see the return of the khilafah.

these are just SOME of my thoughts and not necessarily my opinions.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 11:31

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Good Point:

Tableeghi Jamaat and Tassawuff are superb places to start in my opinion because they have the basic concept and adherents of these two groups already have some idea of obeying the Ameer and Shura

Bad Point:

Both of these groups also have the most to lose in terms of power so they will resist any move towards Khilafah unless it is initiated, controlled and managed by themselves, any outsider (no matter how capable, trustable, worthy) will be automatically shunned

Alarming Point:

  1. Indian Muslims had a common enemy (British) and still they couldn't agree on a common strategy and resulted in India/Pakistan and then after disgareeing:
    1. Muslims of Indian remain divided until now and don't have a common strategy
    2. Muslims of Pakistan remain divided until now and don't have a common strategy

Interesting Point:

Afghans (unlike India/Pakistan) don't have a major Deobandi/Barelwee/Salafi/Jamaat-e-Islami rift and seem to continue to form consensus with some ease...

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 11:49
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You make an interesting point muadh. I would state that for khilafat to work one needs a base. i.e. a location to focus on. Like the jews set up Israel and all their resources were focused in that part of the world. So all the jews (like in London) send their zakah etc to Israel. Ask those who work in Royal Mail. They will tell you that the majority of mail being sent to Israel is cheques. You can take out Indopak from the equation due to the issues mentioned. Afghanistan seems like the place but even then you have the huge north/south divide and pakhtun/non-pakhtun. I don't know I'm very confused about the issue. There is also the issue of the Pakistani Taliban and their takfeeri attitude which has severely messed up all the goods grass roots effort. So basically the place to start would be the pakhutn areas of Afghanistan but then you have a very messy scenario just across the border in Pakistan. Also history has shown that pakhtuns are very sceptical of outsiders even Muslim outsiders. Look at what happened with syed ahmed Shaheed rh, aurengzeb rh and practically any other outsider Muslim or Non-Muslim. You see bro history is very important. We need to learn from it.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 12:02

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Looking at history Syed Ahmed Shaheed (RA) failed (in Dunya) sense because a "Non-Pukhtun" tried to rule the Pukhtun, nothing has changed since and can't happen even now.

But within Pukhtun their pride in Nationalism is so strong that they will overlook Barelwee, Deobandi, Salafi etc, same can't be said about Gujrati, Behari, Punjabi, Mirpuri, Kashmiri etc so Pukhtuns offer a natual (and logical) area for Khilafah despite their shortcomings because:

  1. They can form alliances based on ethnicity and disregard sectarian divide
  2. Their culture has many aspects of Shariah in it
  3. The natural terrain of the land means that it can't be governed by an outside force for too long

The shortcoming are that the Pukhtuns will NEVER accept a Non-Pukhtun to rule over them (like what happened in history) so a Non-Pukhtun if he choses to go there will have to accept to be a 2nd class citizen, never accepted on equal footing etc.

In my opinion what the Tableeghi Jamaat has achieved is nothing short of a miracle in the last 70-80 years but the blatant issue is that "Tableegh has become the Maqsad (goal) rather then Islam" so

What are your thoughts on that?

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 12:16
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The shortcoming are that the Pukhtuns will NEVER accept a Non-Pukhtun to rule over them (like what happened in history) so a Non-Pukhtun if he choses to go there will have to accept to be a 2nd class citizen, never accepted on equal footing etc.
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100% AGREED!

[quote]In my opinion what the Tableeghi Jamaat has achieved is nothing short of a miracle in the last 70-80 years but the blatant issue is that "Tableegh has become the Maqsad (goal) rather then Islam"


100% AGREED!
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2014 12:24

The sucess (Masha'Allah) of Tableeghi Jamaat (and of Salafees to some extent) also teaches us that the Ummah needs to be galvanised around a single (simple) objective. Ummah has lost the plot so they can't even recognise Khilafah as a goal and it is alien to their ears.

So what should be the marketing slogan for the Ummah as we stand today and now?

 

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