Please re-read my reply and to what I was replying.
Brother Arsalan said:
"Actually, the chain of all dunyawi 'uloom goes back to Adam 'Alayhis salaam, when he was taught all the Asma' by Allah."
Samy bhai, my reply was specifically to "chain of all dunyawi 'uloom".
Can E=mc2 be traced from Einstein to Adam (as) through a chain? No.
I m not telling Adam (as) did not teach his children anything. But I just wanted to state that not all dunyawi 'uloom goes back to Adam alayhis salaam through a chain. Obviously Adam (as) knows what a Computer is and what internet is, because Allah Ta'ala taught him the names of all things. But the Computer or the internet wasn't discovered from the ilm passed down from Adam (as).
Yea n Muadh will eat Desi tadka's breakfast n Desi tadka's tadka will be extinguished because of hunger which in turn will make him a sufi due to abstaining from dunya and will fly to Uk and give bayah to a fake shaykh only to realize the shaykh was fake hence gets his tadka back and starts writing blogs against the malpractices of certain people in uk but in the meantime Muadh khan settles in India and goes 4months and hence the roles will be reversed which confuses the heck out of all members of mufitsays rendering them dysfunctional which causes the forum to shrink to only two members whose roles are reversed and everyone lives happily ever after... Hey look a butterfly...
This is a very interesting topic. Firstly nothing can compare to teaching Quraan and hadeeth. Also Muadh with regards to maulana motala's comments that the UK has enough scholars. If by scholars you mean people who can teach makhtab then yes but then remember that maktab can be taught by a simple hafiz or even a non scholar. If by scholars you mean those alluded to in the Quraan and hadith and those that can bring revolution into society then we desperately need them.This brings us to the topic at hand. The most important fact is independence. A person needs to be independent of everyone save ALLAH. I have heard many maulanas talk about the 'barakah' of teaching deen. I have known people who earn money from a normal job and then earn money for teaching deen/imammat and they consider the latter income to be a source of barakah. Hafiz patel db the amir of tabligh in the UK has told those off who earn enough money from normal jobs and then use 'deen' money to top up their income. He told the ulema to teach for free. Offcourse if one has no other source then it is another issue but once again not the preferable thing to do. The other issue that comes to mind is that many of the ulema of the UK do not declare their income. When some masjids were going to start declaring income to government many ulema left the job as it would effect benefits. So our ulema when you ask them to discuss politics etc are scared and say we obey the law of the land but at the same time they don't declare taxes to the government. You see the stupid logic of that. This also applies to their views on polygamy where the issue of the law of the land is shoved under the carpet. There is also the issue of madrasahs and the misuse of funds, dodgy collections. How can a maulana who has no other source of income apart from running a madrasah go hajj and umrah each year? Then there is the issue of what happens when ulema graduate. They are under the thump of the committee who are mostly fusssaq and fujjar.
With regards to the mindset of the people well it needs to change. They look down upon the ulema and this is where maulana Saad's comments are applicable. They give more respect to the doctor sahib etc then to an alim. In my own humble opinion a person teaching alif, baa, taa is superior to a doctor.
Now this is a lengthy topic but let us think of a solution.
Instead of complaining and crying let us do something practical. Firstly there is a need for ulema i.e. the real ones as alluded to in the Quraan and hadeeth. If we complain that there are not enough scholars then this means it becomes fardhulain upon us to change the situation. So what each person can do is help out the true ulema, encourage our children etc. So I would suggest that people train their children in both sciences i.e. deeni and dunyawi and try to make them independent of all save ALLAH. Muslims should set up successful businesses so the children can focus on Islamic education. There are a lot of good examples out there of people who made change. The best madrasah in Pakistan is run by a dr who thereafter did darse nizami. In the UK maulana hashim jogwari db sold his house and paid back all the salary that he received for teaching deen. Mufti Inayatullah db sold his share in his family business and brought his own daruloom etc etc.
It is a lengthy topic. At the same time poverty has been the lot of the ulema since the past and as Imam shafi rh said if it was not for the poor knowledge would have vanished.
So the following practical steps need to happen.
1. Make dua
2. Work on ourselves and children
3. Work on financial independence and beg ALLAH for it.
4. Figure out a way of working for deen for free and getting out of the clutches of the fussaq and fujjar committee members.
5. Make our brightest children ulema and support them through their studies through our wealth and try to make them independent after studies
6. Work at setting up institutes of taqwa and work with the people of taqwa.
7. There is a big problem of people looking down on religious people/ulema. This needs to be countered.
Brother a person who looks down upon ulema are the ones who stay with them. A certain person who is far from the ulema, like in sense who doesn't spent time with them or in close relationship with them will most probably never look down upon them.
Brother I am not complaining or cribbing but we need ulema who are self earning or has some sort of business , who doesn't charge to do immamat.
The problem with us, so called kknowledgable person, is that when we see certain Alim doing business, we say he is running after duniya. Wah. The trust of masjids I know is mostly corrupt people, they are managing the imams. They are not allowed to talk on matters which is not LIKED by these jahils.
In short, we need ulema who don't depend on jahils for income. And we need to change our mindset of not allowing Alims to do business.
A LAYMAN'S SOUND ADVICE FOR THE ULAMA. Brother Sahl writes...
I fully agree that a matric certificate should not be a requirement for admission into a Darul Uloom to become an Aalim of Deen. Our pious predecessors did not have no schooling and they became great flag bearers of Islaam. Our Aakabir Ulama excelled in every branch of knowledge without a matric. They ran huge madrasah's, orphanages, welfare trusts, managed social issues, carried out JIhaad against the British rule in India and changed millions of lives for the better with no degrees and matric.
So these new ideas should not be allowed to continue. Every Aalim of Deen should speak out against it. One very senior Aalim of our Country who was a lecturer long time ago, correctly calls it his "unfortunate days".
Personally, I know of many Ulama who have degrees. They are doing more harm to Deen and Muslims then good. They lack the spiritual link. They lack self-respect. They lack the ability to sacrifice. They lack simplicity and humbleness. Their bayaans are more with quotations and fancy and high words. They don't even make proper Salaam.
Imagine becoming an Aalim and sitting in a room with half naked females and males and studying (contact session) and writing exams. What is the need for the degree? This bipolar mentality must be stopped in its tracks.
I am a graduate. After obtaining my degree and I started work, the company re-trained me to meet their standards. So how will these degrees help promote Deen? Some Degrees are just a piece of paper.
Some Ulama are joining these modernist individuals and are getting carried away with their warped mentality. This is affecting their pristine and pure knowledge and their thinking and vision. That is why to-day we see the following: some girls and boys doing hifz together in one class, some new Ulooms organising sport tournaments for their students, Ulama shirking their responsibilities and outsourcing their duties, refusing to teach in primary Madrasah's and take on Imaamath responsibilities, wear designer kurtaas and those Salafi/ Wahabi gowns and deliver their lectures using the podiums, allow their wives to drive cars, attend un-Islamic weddings in halls, organise huge jalsas using public money and sit on the stage and listen to the master of ceremony (MC) and praising them.
Another sore point are these so called Qiraat competitions. One student who went all the way to winning the local finals and going to Saudi for the ultimate finals gave a very negative report of how the competition takes place in Saudi.
Over the years some Ulooms are dropping their standards just to increase the pass rate and show the number of Aalims and Qaaries that have qualified from their Ulooms.
It is time the senior Ulama e haqq sit down and come up with the correct criteria and requisites for establishing an Uloom and issuing an Aalim, Mufti and Qarie certificate.
The Ulama's sole responsibility and concern should be to link the creation to the creator.
An Aalim is one who has full knowledge of the Quraan, Hadith, fiqh and other Islamic sciences and most important the spiritual knowledge and link. That is all that is needed. No need for matric and Degrees.
I think I'm extremely fundamentalist which makes my views odd.
I opine that new generation is more interested to go for duniyawi uloom than deeni uloom, even they dont need the advice of their elders which profession they should go in.
If someone is of opinion that after getting the basic ilm deen, Muslims should go in duniyawi uloom if ummah is lacking in particular fields e.g. Medical profession. Then who will take this responsibility to keep all these statistical records, especially in a non Muslim country.
Does any country have such decision-making-body pertaining to Muslim youth?
Moreover, if every Muslim is running towards madaris to become alim or hafiz or mufti and nobody is ready to go in duniyawi uloom then they need to be directed to other fields; but unfortunately the picture is opposite, then where this ummah is lacking in.......
I live in a small town. Its population is about 1,50,000. And Muslims are 70%.
Total Ulama are 6+
Total doctors are 300 (more or less) + visiting doctors.
And majority of Muslim is bidati.
Can somebody tell me the solution of this simple riddle-
Is my town lacking in strength of ulama or doctors?
What about yours.....?
Every country requires professionals and skilled-man- power for smooth functioning, progress and fulfil the needs of people as we are interdependent.
It's impossible that entire population will go in a particular profession, similarly everybody can't go for deeni uloom as it's mentioned in Quran also:
''walao nafara min kulli firqatin taa'ifatun liyatafaqqahu fiddin''
sorry sister but i never heard anything like dont learn english. infact i know people who study the worldly knowledge too with or after and before seeking the knowledge of the deen as it is important and they Masha Allah understand it.
It is sad that people have soo much time for the worldly arts (fan... urdu) but no time for the deen,
The children playing... (he is just a kid, he will learn when he will grow up.. well you arent watering the plant properly and expecting it to grow? ) The women are so busy cooking, shopping,dressing,decorating,bragging, gossiping etc,
Men are busy earning the livelihood for themselves and family, busy improving the standard of living, fulfilling the so-called-needs i.e wants, etc
Youth...... .Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajioon
Old.. Television, friends.. nothing..
WE do at times hear things about the filthy world, movies, tv, songs unintentionally but it is better to try to refrain from mentioning things linked to them so that they are not reminded and hence forgotten
This cannot be undone and I am sure it will be greatly appreciated.
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