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#46 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 02:29

Home going through small renovation, don't worry I'm not going anywhere and certainly NOT leaving the forum to escape scrutiny ;-) like how some member here did recently. More winks.

(And br umar123, I had left the other forum for a few months as a mark of protest at the relentless shameless bias displayed by the mods, br ahamed shariff left it permanently for the same reason, NOT to escape scrutiny, so no deja vu please :-))

Continue digging - the more the merrier it'll be when I come later.

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#47 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 02:32

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don't worry I'm not going anywhere and certainly NOT leaving the forum to escape scrutiny ;-) like how some member here did recently. More winks.

No scrutiny brother, just an interesting discussion. JazakAllah for this thread.

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#48 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 02:37

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Duniyawi uloom enable us to earn worldly success in form of money, name, fame, enjoyment and adventures; and the chain of this ilm returns to Einstein or newton

As-salaamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakaatuhu.

Actually, the chain of all dunyawi 'uloom goes back to Adam 'Alayhis salaam, when he was taught all the Asma' by Allah. And what is science, math, literature, and all other dunyawi 'uloom without terminology? Asma' are the basis for every knowledge we have today.

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#49 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 03:27

I have listened time and again from ml. Sajjad nomani db bayans, that it is not proper to say deeni ilm or dunyawi ilm. Ml says for the sake of people emans Allaah has sent the messengers AS, but for the sake of dunyawi (arts, commerce, science etc) ilm Allaah did not sent Messengers AS. But then too the dunyawi knowledge is also coming from Allaah.

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#50 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 06:36

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Deja vu as in your threads in MS often going off topic. lol.
Not comparing to sf.

Do post the rest of Maulana's advice.

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#51 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 06:39

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I agree Adam (as) will be having more knowledge about dunyawi ilm than scientists of today,
but I don't think there is a 'chain'. Because Adam (as) did not pass it all down.

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#52 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 09:28

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No scrutiny, just a discussion and exchange of ideas and in this anybody can be wrong including the respected Shaykh (Maulana) Sa'ad Saheb (HA) or me or you or anyone else. This isn't a matter of Islamic Aqeedah which can't be disagreed with and renders one outside of the fold of Islam.

And if I (or anyone else) is wrong then we correct ourselves apologize and move on in life. There are no ego's in Islam and we are all humans and we all make mistakes.

I truly apologies for differing with you and I sincerely seek your forgiveness, I shall not discuss or differ with you any further by the will and permission of Allah (SWT), Insha'Allah.

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#53 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 10:59

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Because Adam (as) did not pass it all down.

Brother any daleel for this??

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#54 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 11:26

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Do you have an isnad as proof to suggest that Adam(as) passed down all the dunyawi ilm he had?

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#55 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 12:21

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Do you have an isnad as proof to suggest that Adam(as) passed down all the dunyawi ilm he had?

Obviously If Adam(as) had passed down all the ilm he learned, then we would be knowing about the names of the machines which is to be discovered in the future. Which is not the case, current discoveries seem to be independent discoveries which does not have a chain to Adam(as).

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#56 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 12:34

salaam

i suppose its just down to ones intention.

a person can gain deeni knowledge for the sake of deen OR for the sake of dunya.
a person can gain dunyawi knowledge for the sake of dunya OR for the sake of deen.

whichever of the two seeks, gains and makes amal upon their knowledge for the sake of allah then that will be a means of ibadah for him.

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#57 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 14:00

No doubt, with the help of dunyawi qualifications we can benefit this ummah or Islam to please Allah swt.

Importance of Duniyawi uloom isnt denied but raising them to be equal to deeni uloom, isnt acceptable, either it's the level of 'fardh ain' or 'fardh kifaya'

those who get the ilm e deen are the chosen people because they are the heirs of the prophet s.a.w and the prophets a.s. are the head of all the classes of the society including medical professionals, architects, philosophers, scientists, mathematicians and all others.

You can see its practical in masjid. If you are the best surgeon of the world, even then you arent qualified to lead the congregational prayer, but that poor man- the imam whose salary is less than your servant will be your leader in the majestic court of Allah swt. When Allah swt Himself has raised their status, then it's a sin to violate the laws of Allah swt.

I can appreciate that man who built the Taj Mahal, but I respect and love Hazrat Imam Bukhari rh.a who'd complied ahadis in Bukhari Sharif.

''khairakum man ta'allamal qur'ana wa allamahu''

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#58 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 14:04

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There is no comparison between the person who designed Taj Mahal and Imam Bukhari (RA). Imam Bukhari (RA) did one of the best actions while the person who designed Taj Mahal was complicit in SINNING and displeasure of Allah (SWT).

That wasn't the point and you have 110% misunderstood what was being said and implied.

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#59 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 15:43

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Brother you said Adam AS did not teach all that he learnt for the sake of duniya to his kids. This is irrational because Allaah taught Adam AS names of things which he did pass on his kids. They learnt the art of naming things. Likewise Allah taught the kids of Adam AS to bury the dead, by showing them it through crows, I think, I am not sure but it should be crows.
So brother the point is Adam AS must have taught his kids the way to sustain.

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#60 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2014 15:54

And to make my point clear, I am not in anyway decreasing the value of deeni ilm. Gaining the ilm of deen is better anyday. But in no ways the gaining of deeni ilm should make a person stop advancing in trade, commerce or science.
Earlier we had huge personalities, who were scholar in deen and did as well in dunyawi scope.
These days the mentality is like if you become Alim, business/jobs/social work/ Medicine/ etc are haraam for you. An Alim cannot do any of this, even if they does people will say they have left Deeni jobs.

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