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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 15:39
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SubhanAllah!
So by your logic, learning surgery is more capable of protecting Muslims Imaan rather than learning the Tafseer of Surah Al Baqara?

You make absolutely no sense.

I m specifically talking about your statement, especially the first part:
"That's why there is no distinction of this Islamic or Secular education at all! What is needed for safeguarding Islam and Muslims is what is needed"

Can you atleast quote one Ulema who has said that there is 'no distinction between Islamic or Secular education'.

Do you really believe in that?
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 15:45
I just re-read your post:

" I see your point in the sense that studying Hadeeth is ofcourse far superior in GENERAL but in SPECIFICS it is Kifaayah."

That is what I wanted to convey.


What you wanted to convey was:

"What is needed for safeguarding Islam and Muslims is what is needed"

but you shouldn't have said the statement:

"That's why there is no distinction of this Islamic or Secular education at all!"


Sorry for nitpicking, but I consider that huge mistake, saying something like that.
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 15:57

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Its not my logic but that is what I have read. 

To learn any "permissable knowledge" which is of crucial demand at a particular juncture and fundamental for the safeguard of Islam and Muslims is full of reward brother and it will take precedence over "optional" learning of Surah Baqarah (in general).

An example would be to learn medicine to provide Medical aid to Mujahideen during Shariah sanctioned Jihad under a Sunnah following Ameer and this would take priority over studying Qur'aan/Hadeeth/Fiqh when there are Ulamah already available who know these sciences and can provide guidance to laymen.  If both fields are lacking then both are needed.

  1. Shaykh Ameerul-Mumineed (Mullah) Umar (HA) has also said to this effect specifically to military field medicine.
  2. Shaykh (Maulana) Yusuf Motala (HA) also feels that there are enough Ulamah in UK and other areas should be explored.

I have not heard either first hand so can't give you the exact words but it makes perfect sense.  I have already said the necessary Islamic knowledge for all people is an OBLIGATION and this is beyond the scope of this discussion.

If today there was nobody to defend Islam and attacks on it THEN YES it will be an OBLIGATION to learn the art of debate and acquire the necessary knowledge to defend Islam.

I understand it to be true but I am here to be corrected by you and others, Insha'Allah.

I understand where you are coming from and I apologise for not making it very clear but I hope that it is now.

Beyond the obligatory (Islamic) knowledge is what we are discussing that is the fundamental point here.

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 16:12
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I agree with what you say here. Thats why I mentioned why Imam Ghazzali studied and became and expert in Philosophy to refute it.

My only concern is the small part of your statement in the previous post:

"That's why there is no distinction of this Islamic or Secular education at all!"

The above statement Generally is wrong. But in the specific senarios you mentioned it can be argued that it is true. But people will misunderstand your statement. Best example is it you many posts to make me understand the context of your statement (maybe I am a dimwit), but my request is not to say something like that. We might unintentionally disrespect things beloved to Allah.

I rest my case.
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 16:15
I understand where Maulana Mu'adh is coming from.

Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi mentions in one of his Usul al Fiqh books that in a situation where it becomes difficult for a man to provide for his family, it will actually be makruh for him to have the niyyah to become a hafiz. Rather, he must work to provide for his family.

Thats just one example.

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 16:15
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Ok my Brother I apologize and retract my statement and agree with what you are agreeing with.

Jazakallahu Khayran for your correction.
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 16:19
^ Thats of course on the condition that he is unable to do both at the same time.
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 16:21
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Yes there are conditions and circumstances but upon reflection I can see where he is coming from and where my comments can be wrong and may Allah (SWT) protect us all (Ameen).

I didn't mean it that way and he understands and agrees with what I am saying so there is no problem, Alhumdolillah.
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 16:22
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 16:23
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As a trained Military Medic, I can assure you that at full pelt under stress 99.99% of the people will NOT be able to study Field Medicine and Shariah simultaneously.

:p
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 16:23
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May Allah give you the best of Dunya and the best of Akhira.
Ameen thumma ameen.
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 16:26
I remember a lecture posted by brother Muadh, which was given by Shaykh Zulfiqar.

He talked about engineering, genes and all sorts of advanced topics. MashaAllah, very knowledgeable in the deen and dunya. A great example and mentor for us all.
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 16:30
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 16:37
Lol... we never got to see the rest of Desi tadka's post...
Deja vu... :)

I hope you post the rest...

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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 12th February 2014 16:41
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pg 41 in pdf viewer.
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