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#106 [Permalink] Posted on 7th September 2015 17:22
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the egoism comment was to the way you have written in the internet, i think this is only special to Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jilaniرحمة الله عليه, i havent seen other auliya make such claims?

secondly would Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jilani Rehmatullah Alaih openly disrespect a authetic scholar?

here i answered you and asked another question
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#107 [Permalink] Posted on 7th September 2015 17:36
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I have not insulted him. He may be much above me In status near Allah SWT. I have merely stated facts and quoted from Hazrat Shah Waliullah(RA). I'll translate for you:

"The Khalift-ul-Rasool ﷺ will only that person who has combined all the three departments of the Deen, which we have mentioned (i.e. Islam, Iman, and Ihsan), and has remembered the Allah's Book and the Holy Prophet's ﷺ Sunnah, and has strived in the laws of the knowledge of Salook and the training of the seekers."

Now, I simply asked you how many seekers did Mufti Usmani Sahib train and present before the Holy Prophet ﷺ? You must be knowing because you've read him so much. I don't see how this is disrespectful.

Your answer about Hazrat Abdul Qadir jilani (RA) doesn't impress me. Would you ask for yet another example after I provide the second one. And please understand this clearly, I'm not here to recruit anyone or take Baet. We will never take Baet of every Tom, Dick and Harry. But we are the slaves of sincere seekers.

الحمد للہ من ذالک
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#108 [Permalink] Posted on 7th September 2015 17:51
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In fact i give you example from Orchard of Love

108. ALLAH PROTECTS HIS AULIYAA AGAIST PRIDE
Once Ahmad Bin Hawaari (rahmatullah alayh) accompanied Hadhrat Sulaimaan Daaraani
(rahmatullah alayh) on a journey to Makkah Muazzamah. Their water bag was lost along the
journey. When Ahmad Bin Hawaari informed Hadhrat Daaraani of the loss, he supplicated:
“O Restorer of lost things! Return our water-bag.”

Shortly thereafter a man appeared with the water- bag and handed it to them.
The cold was intense. They were wearing heavy woolen garments. Soon they saw a man clad
in only two light cloths. He was perspiring profusely. Hadhrat Daaraani (rahmatullah alayh)
said: “If you wish, we shall give you some warm garments.” The man said: “Both heat and
cold are the creations of Allah Ta`ala. If He commands, both will overwhelm me, and if He
commands, both will leave me. I am wondering in this condition in this wilderness for the
past 30 years. Never did I shiver because of the severity of the cold nor did I perspire
because of the result of the heat of summer. In winter, the heat of my Divine Love keeps me
warm and in summer its sweetness keeps me cool. O Daaraani! You are engrossed with
garments and you have abandoned zuhd (renunciation of the world). The cold is therefore
distressing you. O Daaraani! You cry, shriek and derive pleasure from cool breezes.”
Hadhrat Abu Daaraani (rahmatullah alayh) then departed. He said to his companions:
“Besides this man, no one has recognized me.”[i.e. Only this Wali of Allah Ta`ala has
understood my pride and vanity].
As a result of the dua of Hadhrat Daaraani, the water-bag was found. The almost immediate
acceptance of his dua was likely to create in him the idea of his holiness and loftiness of rank.
This would give rise to ujub and takabbur. It is of the ways of Allah Ta`ala to save his
Auliyaa from the pitfalls of nafsaaniyat by bringing them into contact with such pious persons
whose acts of piety put them to shame. They realise the insignificance of their own deeds
when they view the deeds of other men of piety. In this way they are saved from pride and vanity

Lets come to other topic
The following is your quote

"Usmani Sahib and the rest of his clan are devoid of Tasawwuf (almost, if not entirely). Tasawwuf is not achieved by hanging the list of Shajra in one's office or printing it in one's book. " İf this is not openly disrespect then what is this?

İ have answered you clearly before

"Allah knows about how many of his murids successed, they are not obligated to boast about their spirituality to others. Your shaikh must have told you about this too.. "

Your tareeqat was exposed in Sunniforum am i right? Now you have come here again, then let me ask you what have you came here for? Already some members here has some involved in your tareeqat before, they know your tareeqat well. I personally trust them more than you.
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#109 [Permalink] Posted on 7th September 2015 18:18
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BUMP
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#110 [Permalink] Posted on 7th September 2015 18:55
Awaisi tasawwuf, the dreamy tasawwuf. zZZ

Anyone who wants to become wali just in dreams (dreamy wali), should join awaisis.
Anyone who wants to be a wali and pious "actually", he should search for an actual concrete peer.

As according to Awaisis, the true (dreamy) tasawwuf, is found no where except among awaisis. So dreamy pious is only possible in the sohbat of awaisis.
This offer of becoming dreamy sufi and dreamy pious is for "LIMITED PERIOD", because these Awaisis keep on fighting with each other for "seat", their end isn't too far.

I see that awaisis have experienced many kaifiyaat, which no other sufi have experienced. Today I want to introduce these guys to a new experience, which even they never experienced. Just type "Current Molvi" in google.
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#111 [Permalink] Posted on 7th September 2015 22:14
@Bin Ghulam,

With all due respect the Silsilah Of Mufti Taqi Usmani (DB) is the Silsilah of Haji Imdadullah Muhajjir Makki (RA) and it is the silsilah
that earned the acceptance amongst the ulemah, and thousands of ulemah have benefitted from it and joined it and the contribution of the ulemah who are spiritually linked to Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Maki (RA) is unrivalled in the sub-continent during the last one hundred years.


Whilst your group seems to be the Silsilah of retired army people remains largely unknown and its impact seems to be fairly limited. ...If your argument is Kash Ilham, spiritual bait, then the Naqshbandi Haqqani group and its followers claim the same thing and do a similar Zikr of Pas anFas.

If the superiority is a Owaisi connection, then the Tijani silsila popular in africa has a greater claim to it...."The beginning of a distinctive “Tijani” order can be located with the appearance of the Prophet Muhammad to Shaykh Ahmad Tijani (RA) in a waking vision. This occurred in 1784, in the desert oasis of Abi Samghun. The Prophet (Sallahu alayhi Wasalllam) informed him that he himself was his initiator on the Path and told him to leave the shaykhs he had previously followed. The Shaykh then received the basis of a new wird and was given permission to give “spiritual training to the creation in [both] the general and unlimited (itlaq).” The Prophet (Sallallahu alayhi wassalam) told him: “You are not indebted for any favor from the shaykhs of the Path, for I am your means (wasita) and your support in the [spiritual] realization, so leave the entirety of what you have taken from all the tariqas.”

Similarly the Idreesiya Silsila of Shaykh ahmed bin Idris (RA).
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#112 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2015 12:08

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These Video Game Sufees claim to be EVEN HIGHER than Imam Rabbani (RA) [1564-1624], take a look for yourself:

www.muftisays.com/forums/27-sharing-portal/10388-the-trut...

In the Naqshbandi SilSila of Tassawuff it is an impossibility for someone of our times...

 

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#113 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2015 12:52
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These video game sufis work like this;
They have a few people who see kashf or some imagination
The rest do zikr hoping they will reach the maqams mentioned by these kashfi people.
The kashfi people keep telling these guys that you are now at this maqam and that
These innocent souls start believing them.
These kashfi people then start mentioning big personalities and their maqams. E.g. They will say pir mehr ali shah was fana fir rasul
Then the kashfi person tells them that your (mureed) maqam is on baqa or some arsh which is higher than pir mehr ali shah
Both kashfi (imaginative) and non-kashfi person start thinking they are buzrugs
These same buzrugs ask them to read surah fatiha with tajwid, give us the sunnah of eating and sleeping and if they read tasbih e fatima before they go sleep etc then they are nowhere to be seen. Ask him does he read 1 juz of quraan a day? Yasin morning, mulk and waqiya evening as per hadith. You will find him slacking. For him he is a buzrug as he does pas anfas and did rohani bait.

So once again I invite the brother to the way of ahlus sunnah and away from kashf and maqamaat.

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#114 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2015 13:53
Shaykh Abdul Rahman Al Saghouri ra used to say 'the one who hopes for wilaya will never be given it'.

I think this sums up these guys perfectly. They're pretenders that's all, follow the way of the Sahaba who were the biggest of Auliya Allah, many mashaykh of various tariqas including shaykh Abdur rahman Al Saghouri ra would end their dars/class with Khandlevi s ra Hayatus Sahaba.

In regards to the deception of kashf and dreams etc and where one makes mistakes and how to avoid it has been brilliantly explained in the book 'irshaadul mulook'.
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#115 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2015 18:02
Well, most of you have just expressed your opinions, which I cannot respect. Of course, you're welcome to hold an opinion. No one can stop you from that. You may think we are lunatics, dreamy, or what was that word someone used...disillusioned. It really doesn't bother me in the least. There are many people who don't believe in the Quran or the Hadith, or Tasawwuf, so doesn't matter if someone doesn't believe in Silsila Naqshbandia Awaisiah. That's the way it has always been.

But here's some bitter truth.

Tasawwuf does not come from having a Shajra or being someone Khalifa. Tasawwuf is the derivative of Zikr-Allah and the other routines that have been followed by the Sufis for 1400 years. The first lesson of Tasawwuf, as I said before and I don't think anyone of your bothered to read, is LATAIF. Does anyone out of you practice LATAIF? If your teacher knew Tasawwuf, he must have taught you at least its first lesson?

The foundation of Tasawwuf is Zikr-Allah, and it is Farz-e-Ain. You just cannot skip it. It's enjoined at least twice a day by the Quran, and the Holy Quran specifically talks about Zikr-e-Ism-e-Zaat, and Zikr with breathing, and abundance of Zikr. Has anyone out of you Awaisiah deniers ever bothered to take the first lesson of Zikr, as it has been practiced by Aulia for 1400 years? Can anyone out of you enlighten me about what the Aulia used to do that made the Aulia?

You are held back from Tasawwuf by the knowledge that you think you've gained. But you need Tazkiya to understand and interpret the Quran and the Hadith and differentiate between the right and the wrong. And Tazkiya, you know nothing about. When someone tries to tell you about this pristine and perfectly organized type of knowledge, you call him proud and conceited, and dreamy and what not.

True Islamic Tasawwuf is not the name of some whims and fantasies, stories of Kashf and old Aulia, reading of books, and the other things that you think of as Tasawwuf. Tasawwuf is a PRACTICE. A practice of Zikr-Allah. And it is not something that should be hidden.

I ask you again, has anyone out of you taken the first lesson of Tasawwuf? If yes, what is it?

Tasawwuf is the need of the time. I mean look around you. There are pseudo muftis like you, a dozen under each brick you pluck. Yet look at the condition of Muslims. Don't you think there's something missing? If you don't see anything missing, you have to be blind. The truth is that all of you, who are denying and refuting Silsila Awasiah are ignorant people. And you're likely to remain this way because you deny the source of the knowledge that you don't possess. Knowledge that is one-thirds of Islam.

Someone asked me my purpose here. So here's my message. Give Zikr a try. Start it the way it has been practiced by Aulia and all the righteous scholars, including Hazrat Ashraf Ali Thanvi (RA). And do it consistently for a couple of months, twice a day. It is Farz, not something extra that you would be doing. Just take a step into true Islamic Tasawwuf by starting to practice it, and you'll thank me for it one day.
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#116 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2015 18:24
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Bin Ghulam wrote:
Don't you think there's something missing?


Yes, and that lies exactly between your two ears..
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#117 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2015 18:32
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Yes. almost all salasil start their asbaaq from lataif. You are refuting all the salasil, without even knowing about them.

You need to understand the hukm of tasawwuf. You are calling tasawwuf Farz e ain (not tazkiya) and you are saying that zikr on lataif is must, for that farz tasawwuf. This is bid'at.

Please learn from Rightly Guided Scholars the status of tasawwuf and its ashghaal in shariah.

I can only pray for you.
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#118 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2015 16:41
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There is so much wrong in almost every single sentence of yours that I don't even know where to begin. If I start addressing each one I'm almost certain NO ONE will read including me since it'll get so long needlessly.

So I'd like to ask just one very important question. Just one question about the following:
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The foundation of Tasawwuf is Zikr-Allah, and it is Farz-e-Ain. You just cannot skip it. It's enjoined at least twice a day by the Quran, and the Holy Quran specifically talks about Zikr-e-Ism-e-Zaat, and Zikr with breathing, and abundance of Zikr. Has anyone out of you Awaisiah deniers ever bothered to take the first lesson of Zikr, as it has been practiced by Aulia for 1400 years? Can anyone out of you enlighten me about what the Aulia used to do that made the Aulia?


Can you?

Meaning can you back up each thing? Because every sentence in the above quote is flawed. Farz-e-ain? How do you come to that conclusion and in which context or limit is it Farz-e-ain? Naturally you will ask me to prove or explain. The problem is that you're making the claim so please provide evidence of the above. These are part of the same question, can you? I am genuinely asking.
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#119 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2015 18:23
classic example of "Tasawuff in Futility" can be observed here......
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#120 [Permalink] Posted on 10th September 2015 06:46
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Yes, dear brother, I can answer and back up each and every thing that you have asked, Alhamdulillah. However, do you promise to start doing Zikr if I do? Or will you be asking more and more questions?

Because if you keep asking questions, you'll never get the answers. You'll get the answers only and only if you practice Zikr-Allah. This is how it's done in Tasawwuf. Deniers, haters, objectors, and people who are too conceited by their knowledge will never get anything out of Tasawwuf.

Please answer the above question and I'll provide the proof for the things that you have asked.
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