i was actually told by hafez patel (senior member of dewsbury shura) that i either stay 100% with tabligh jamaat and not join with another effort i was with, or leave tabligh jamaat and do what i like. i.e its either tabligh jamaat or the highway. so i respectfully disagree with you as well. [/quote]
I can actually see where he’s coming from and from a neutral perspective can see why he’s possibly taken that approach, however for starters why don’t you explain to me,’ what exactly he meant by the above’ ?
However since you’ve been ranting on about the same thing for a few years now to no avail lets break it down for you.....
1) Do you really think that he would say something that would actually jeopardise the whole effort ? Sir if you do then you must be a fool and more thicker than I actually thought.
2) Do you think anyone in any position belonging to any organization would say something that could be possibly illegal in that country and mean a prison sentence ? Whether that be online or offline ?
3) The ones who were foolish, their organisations are banned and black listed and many of their members are behind bars, whom are they proving benefit to whilst being banned or being behind bars ? Think from a neutral perspective.
He was right in the comment’s he made to you, now you choose a line and stick to it. But if you want to act all ‘bottom hurt’ about it and make funny comments online then I’m sorry be prepared to face criticism and disagreement.
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i dont doubt that at all. some i accept are needed and some i dont accept. but that is just my opinion and i dont expect everyone to agree with my opinion. but if someone calls out tabligh jamaat on a particular issue then dont try to hide it. own up to it. [/quote]
What me and you accept or don’t accept of the usools don’t really matter they are there for a purpose and that's all. If you still have genuine concerns then you know where nizamudeen/raiwand is, feel free to hop on the next flight there, if not go to the yearly, monthly mashwera and take it from there. It’s a system and there’s ways to go about things, if you don’t like it then I’ve listed other options for you.
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. but if someone calls out tabligh jamaat on a particular issue then dont try to hide it. own up to it[/quote]
1) What’s this got to do with usools ?
2) No one is hiding it, you’re the one with the tendency of going on a rant each time, something I witnessed for some time now since SF days.
3) None is hiding it and we all agree no jamaat or any being alive today is perfect.
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if you wanted to bury it then you should have left it. dont reply to me and then say dont take this further. [/quote]
1)Let me mention what I mentioned to you before : 'We won't agree and you won't agree with what others might have to say to you , so rather then taking this thread off track and all of us going around in circles and this will definitely go in circles'.
2)Your post was out of order hence a reply was necessary.
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this is a classic problem with fanboys of any particular group or organisation
Tut Tut Tut First of all stop acting all butthurt sir and I’m not a fanboy and neither do I belong to any group or organisation but I shall stand up for the truth InshaAla, shall I make a generalisation as well and refer to people like you as retards who are always moaning on the negatives and come online looking for some support and sympathy from others ? No wouldn’t be nice would it :)
[quote] even a slight criticism and they want to throw their toys out of the pram
So we should let you continue making bogus false claims with no justification and left unchallenged ? Middle life crisis eh missing your 'action man toy' or something sir ?
[quote] i benefit from wherever i can benefit and that includes tabligh jamaat
Only place you benefit from is your self inflated ego/nafs and your buddys giving you high fives agreeing with you online, otherwise who the heck keeps moaning about the same thing for a number of years ? Check your niyyah brother, were you pleasing and doing for Allah before or others ? It seems the latter.
[quote] if there is something i dont agree with then i have every right to speak about it. and just because i criticise some particular aspect does not mean i have enmity with the whole organisation.
Yeah sure but be just in your criticism rather than making it look like an unjustified rant.
[quote] my affiliation is to islam and not to any particular group, organisation, or personality. only allah is perfect and beyond even the thought of criticism. the prophet was perfect as he was guided by allah. to even think that a man made organisation and present day personalities are beyond error or criticism is error itself. we all know the ayats of the quran, hadith and stories of the sahaba that warn us from this. but everyone seems to think this is only relevant to someone else's shaikh and not my own. we think this is only relevant to the ulama that other people follow and not those that i follow. we think this is only relevant to the organisations that others join and not the organisation that i join.
was perfect as he was guided by allah. to even think that a man made organisation and present day personalities are beyond error or criticism is error itself. we all know the ayats of the quran, hadith and stories of the sahaba that warn us from this. but everyone seems to think this is only relevant to someone else's shaikh and not my own. we think this is only relevant to the ulama that other people follow and not those that i follow. we think this is only relevant to the organisations that others join and not the organisation that i join.
