Who would you like to go in khurooj / jama't with? And where?

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2013 16:50

As salaamu alaii kumm,

For months now I have been wanting to start this thread.

I'm pretty sure while reading history books we all wish if we had only been in such and such era and lived to see the great people of those times, spend time with them, for ex. The Prophet [peace be upon him], Sahabah's [may Allah SWT be pleased with them], during the time when Sindh was conquered at the time of Muhammed Bin Qasim [rh], or when Jerusalem was conquered in the time of who else but Salahuddin Ayyubi [rh] or in the dars of the Imam's of Fiqh, in the khanqah of Hadrath Junaid Baghdadi [rh] or Nizamuddin Auliya [rh], or when Dar al Ulum Deoband was started under a pomegranate tree, in the khanqah of Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi [rh] or when Maulana Ilyasji [rh] revived the effort...etc etc.,.

We all have our favorites, not favorites per se but just personalities we are more inclined towards, so if you were given an opportunity to go out in khurooj, leave in jama't (going out in groups calling people towards Deen) with anyone you like, who would they be and where would you go?

An exercise to re-introduce Islamic personalities to the commoners..and inculcate the practice of 'leaving home' for the sake of Deen. InshaAllah.

Some rules:

1. Don't choose Prophets (peace be upon them)
2. Don't choose Sahabah's [ra] as they were chosen to be companions of the Prophets (peace be upon them) - wouldn't be right.

3. You can choose anyone apart from the above.
4. All permutations and combinations are allowed, meaning people of different eras can be included in one jama't, for ex. Imam Ghazzali [rh] with Maulana Qasim Nanotwi [rh].

5. There can be a jama't of MuftiSays and SF or members of both in one jama't, for ex. Mufti Yasin and Mufti abuhajira.

6. SISTERS can take part too (as women's jama't) is also valid - meaning you'll be with their mothers, sisters, wives in khurooj.

7. Where do you want to go and why? Please do mention these. For ex. In a jama't with Shaikh Ahmed Deedat, Maulana Rahmatullah Kayranvi and Maulana Qasim Nanotwi - I'd like to go to the Vatican ;-) but it ain't really necessary to chose the place, but better if you do it. And remember its Allah SWT who takes the work, so if Allah wants he can give taufiq to the mewaatis and take the work in Vatican than the above 3 personalities.

8. Lets keep the jama't to 12 people - including you, you will have to name 11 other people.
9. You may chose the zimmedar who will lead the jama't - although its usually decided through mashwara (counsel).

If anything else, I'll mention later.

Let loose your imagination..

A jama't of Sufi's? Whaddya think? ;-)

Wa laii kumm as salaam.

p.s: Remember me in you duas while in your khurooj ;-)

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2013 19:37

First jama't:

1. Ibn Jubayr (famous and very very pious Muslim traveler of Muslim Spain who debuted earlier than Ibn Battuta)
2. Ibn Battuta (you know) (Maliki scholar) (traveled so much that he makes Marco Polo looks like a stay at home)
3. Shaikh Sa'di (traveler, Sufi-ish, pious, scholar-ish)
4. Rasiq al Wardami a.k.a. Ghulam Zarafa (revert, warrior, kicked ass royally of the Byzantine empire)
5. Omar Al Balluti Al Tikriti (inspirational renegade, set foot in new land, burned his and fellow travelers ships so as not to go back but to make new land Muslim, conquer territory, remember renegade not from Islam)
6. Hassan ibn Wazzan (another famous Muslim Moroccan traveler, inspiration behind Shakespeare's Othello)
7. Ahmed Ibn Majid (the famous Muslim navigator who provided Vasco da Gama with maps hitherto unknown to travel the world)
8. Muhammed Al Idrisi (geographer and traveler)
9. Abu Al Hasan Al Masudi (Arab historian and traveler)
10. Muhammad Al Muqaddasi (traveler and geographer who traveled for more than 20 years studying geography, he started his travels similar to ibn Battuta - after the pilgrimage / Hajj)
11. Zheng He (Chinese Muslim traveler who also performed Hajj)
12. Yours truly..

* Amir / zimmedar will be Ibn Jubayr [rh] (just my opinion)
** Intended Khurooj is for 1.5 years, on a ship, we will dock at as many ports as Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala wills and give dawah, also intention is to give dawah to even the pirates in the sea.
*** Tashkeeled jama'ts will partly join us for first 2 chillas (40 x 2 days) and from the 3rd chilla onwards will go by themselves.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2013 19:57

Jama't II:

1. ahamed_shariff (SF)
2. mufti Ya'sin
3. mufti abuhajira
4. Sulaiman84
5. Shaikh Muadh (!!)
6. Servant of Allah a.k.a Abu Khadijah :-)
7. hmdsalahuddin
8. ibnuammbd (SF mod)
9. abu mohammed
10. treoguy (SF)
11. Saad (SF mod)
12. Yours truly..

* lots of names missing, sorry could accommodate only 12.
** Amir of jama't will be br ahamed_shariff (very senior brother, from the time of Hazratji II Ml Yusuf [rh])
*** brothers 6,7 & 12 are not experienced, precisely why we are there - to do the learning.
**** khurooj will be for 7 months in the hinterlands of South Asia esp. India for first 2 chillas and then in Middle East.
***** this is very much possible, so make duas.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2013 20:12

Jama' III:

1. Maulana Ilyasji
2. Maulana Manzoor Ahmed Noamani
3. Maulana Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi
4. Maulana Yusufji
5. Maulana Umar Palanpuri
6. Maulana Inam ul Hasan
7. Maulana Sa'eed Ahmed Khan Saheb Makki
8. Maulana Ibrahim Dewla
9. Maulana Zubair
10. Maulana Talha
11. Maulana Sa'ad
12. Yours truly..

(may Allah have mercy on them all)

* Because it contains only 1 jahil (yours truly) - the jama't will be for 1 year as its more of an Ulamah jama't.
** Amir is Maulana Ilyasji..
*** The whole of the duration is spread across Indonesia and its islands.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2013 21:10

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If you mean me as number 9, then I truly don't believe I am worthy of being mentioned with the rest of the brothers. I would be in the lowest of ranks and believe me, you would have plenty of negative vibes coming from me as I'd ask for Daleel for everything that is being done and so on. You would have a whole new thread dedicated on me, a bit like the other guy who was in your recent Jamaat, although I wouldn't behave like him.

Then again, if you don't mean me as number 9 then ignore the above.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2013 21:17

Masha'Allah, I would have loved to be on journey number 1... though not sure about the ship, get sea-sick and don't know how long it would take for me to find my 'sea legs'. And that means more of a burden than any use! Maybe a walking jaamat? That I could do with confidence insha'Allah! I would have loved to meet their mothers, sisters, wives and benefit from their sohbah.

I wonder what it truly is like for women in jamaat. Any sisters care to enlighten me here insha'Allah - sisters only please since brothers would only provide hearsay accounts; I want first hand stories insha'Allah! What do you do? how do you connect with others in the places you go to? Is it just women who are already part of TJ efforts you meet or do you really meet people looking to gain more knowledge? How do you guide them? What do you say, what do you give them? Is it even possible for women to take part in a 1.5 year effort?

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2013 21:30

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That's a great idea. I think a dedicated topic with your rules set out in the OP would be great.

Maybe brothers who's female family members go can add to it without turning anything into a debate. Sounds good.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2013 21:49

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Having suggested the above, I just remembered that there have been a few threads mentioning "women in Jamaat" and they all tend to go down hill and will probably end up in the debates section.

So I guess you will have to think about it!

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2013 21:54

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Oops... well brother, insha'Allah things will be different this time around with just sisters taking part and brother desi tadka copying the information he put up on SF (if he would like to, otherwise no worries). Otherwise, no brothers insha'Allah.

Insha'Allah, I trust brothers here will be respectful and allow sisters some space to 'speak' in relation to matters that concern them.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2013 22:36

Sister Acacia,

Facepalm ...You ain't got a clue what a Jamaat is, do ya? :)

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 26th December 2013 00:19

I have a clue and have read a bit here and there, but nothing much more than that. I'll learn insha'Allah one day. No facepalms... just du'aas insha'Allah.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 26th December 2013 03:15

Sister Acacia,

Many of the Arab Jamaats and Jamaats in the west have some exemptions to these rules (for husbands and wives) and I don't want to discuss this because the forum is visited by minors but I have been part of the Shura to make certain arrangements for certain Jamaats

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 27th December 2013 16:46

I'll post later, a translation of the urdu speech, I'm sure some of the sisters and even the bros here will go... WAAH!

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 28th December 2013 10:34

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These exemptions aren't anything new..

@Minors, Majors and those in-between and esp. Sis Acacia, when the Sahabah رضي الله عنه went on expeditions (J*/ha-d, D@w@h), there are accounts in which they have asked the Prophet (peace be upon him) if they could go back to visit their wives and return and the Prophet (peace be upon him) has permitted them.

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Gosh, some people are such a show off...

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p.s: I'll tell you related karguzaari (account) some other time..
p.s: I'm not on any shura (consulting body)

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 28th December 2013 15:58

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salaam

please post these accounts or links to these accounts where this happened when on a dawah tour.

jazakallah khair

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