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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd October 2013 14:57

Asslamo Allaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

A young new Muslim sister approached me with a problem. She stated that her husband and his friend are planning to do something Haram.

She says that she is new Muslims and only knows that in Islam we are not supposed to lie and cheat and believes that her husband and his friend shouldn’t lie.

She spoke to both of them and they brushed her aside saying, “You don’t need to worry about this!” so in great distress she asked me if Allah (SWT) will punish her because she heard about their business plans?

She is under 25 and been Muslims for less than 6 months.

How and what should you advise her?

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd October 2013 15:07
When we are in the grave we will only be answerable for our own actions.

If you see wrong, speak, act against it, if it is not in your power to stop them, make dua Allah grant them guidance....you are not responsible for someone else's actions. They are already aware they are going to do wrong....so it's not about teaching someone something they already know.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd October 2013 15:08
I guess a few things need to be clarified.

Did she eavesdrop?
Did she Spy?

Does she know the consequences' of these acts.

Whatever the answer, as she is new, she should be given positive advise. Similar to story of the man who killed 99.

Positive advise will help inshaAllah.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd October 2013 15:08
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She appeared to be pretty stressed about this and she thinks that its the fault of Muslims for not stopping them because they are lying. She thinks that her Masjid should intervene and stop the lying

Her view of what a Masjid should do as a new naive new Muslim. Innocent young girl really.

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No they were openly talking in front of her.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd October 2013 15:11
To be honest, what a Masjid should do and what Masjid does do are totally different.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd October 2013 15:12
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She is a new Muslim so in her mind the Masjid should take care of every single problem in the community. How refreshing!

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd October 2013 15:17
Yep I've been there, a new muslim sister with two revert daughters one daughter who decided she didn't want to be muslim anymore and was always out on the streets....she said that she blamed her daughters bad behaviour on the masajids and the people who attended the masajids and committee members.

As shocked as she was to my response....to stop her from blaming the entire muslim community on the actions of her daughter in the middle of a busy street...and as far as I know her daughter was the same before and after reverting from Islam....I very firmly said it was down to bad parenting!

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd October 2013 15:21
And why shouldn't her masjid assist her in this issue? Has she spoken with someone discreetly about it?

At the same time, she has every right to be concerned about how the food she eats and her children in the future will eat insha'Allah is being purchased. She may be thinking at a deeper level than she is being given credit here... young and new she may be but her level of sensitivity to the issue is really admirable masha'Allah. May we all have this level of attention to details, and level of concern. ameen.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd October 2013 15:23

In my experience I have also found many Reverts talk about lack of support from communities/Mosques for their problems and Revert Sisters generally almost always 100% blame their communities. Relationship breakdown, lack of marriage, poverty Sisters usually blame the community while many brothers also do.

Anyways this Sister isn’t complaining, she is stressed and expects the Mosque to sort out her husband and his friend. In her mind this is what the Mosque is there for!

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd October 2013 16:51
It is sad that the sister has lost trust in her husband, that the husband seems to be engaged in deeds that shake the trust of his companion, and that the community doesn't seem to want to be involved in private issues - trying to remain neutral but sending a silent message that nothing is amiss, all is well, effectively condoning the actions of the brother while condemning the sister's request for help.

Alternatively, unbeknownst to the sister, the brother may be doing something perfectly halaal but because of miscommunication, she has developed mistrust towards her husband, and the community doesn't want to be involved in private issues, muddling the issue of communication and trust further.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd October 2013 14:00

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Asslamo Allaikum,

I don’t know her local Mosque but I must clarify some of the intricacies of the matter. Her husband wants something from the Masjid which is a standard process and she wants the Masjid to actually investigate the issue before complying with the request.

That is not the way Islam works. We are supposed to take the word of a Muslim on face value and not pry, spy or investigate; that is neither the job of the Imam nor the Masjid.

Secondly, Masjid has no legal (Islamic or civil) to intervene in people’s private affairs unless they voluntarily accept and invite the Masjid to be involved. In this case the husband clearly doesn’t want it.

I sat down with the Sister and explained to her and she is sitting in front of me wearing HIjab and claiming to be a Muslim so I believe her (on face value). Is it my job to investigate, pry and spy whether she is Muslim or not? She said no so I then asked her why do you think the Masjid should do that?

For legal matters in Islam there is Islamic justice system, no such thing exists in the West apart from Islamic Shariah council where again the judgement is powerless to be enforced.

The issue here is absence of Khilafah and lack of authority. This is precisely why the on-Muslims got rid of Ottoman Empire although they knew that it was “sick man of Europe”.

The issue here is a dispute between husband and wife and lack of trust (as you rightly pointed out) and it is up to husband/wife to sort this out (or seek to sort it out) we can’t put this issue at the doorstep of the Masjid.

After speaking to her, I am fairly convinced that her husband is taking advantage of her (trying to get a British Passport) and she doesn’t see it. I am fairly convinced that in 3-4 months after his passport hearings he won’t stay with her (as per the norm is after the immigration issues are settled). I am also fairly convinced that a year or two down the line this Sister will blame the Masjid or the community for not helping her when she neither consulted the Masjid nor the community in firstly harbouring a relationship with him and then marrying him.

Such as our lot that people will bemoan another Revert Sister hard done by...But after over 2 decades of experience people need to see these issues for what they really.

Neither the Masjid nor the immigrants (or the born Muslims) compel these Sisters to get into these sort of situations so they have to take some responsibility for their actions.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd October 2013 14:22
I disagree. Where there is a section of our community that is clearly disadvantaged, it is our collective responsibility to step in if asked to. She asked for help.

I also do not think it is right to put any of this on the sister's shoulders when she came into this with little knowledge of Islam. Brothers take advantage and can get away with it in the community. What happens to the sister after a divorce (which sounds inevitable) takes place? Who do they have left... many likely leave Islam. Sad.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd October 2013 14:37

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Sister,

It is our Islamic duty to help everyone to the best of my ability and the Mosque, Imams, community leaders play an important role.

Nevertheless, we can’t ignore the fact that many of our Sisters (Reverts and born Muslimahs) CHOOSE to get into a relationship with a particular person; they don’t consult the Mosque, they don’t consult an Imam or Shaykh etc so when things go wrong of course they should be helped but it is WRONG to put the blame on Mosque or community.

The Mosque or the community didn’t create the problem, it was their decision. In many experience many Muslims blame their local Mosque or their local Muslim community but I am Sorry personal responsibility needs to be taught.

Don’t misunderstand me before responding! All help should be given but it should be clearly outlined that Islam or Muslims are not fault here for wrong decisions made in life.

I have made many wrong decisions in life, terrible decision and I continue to pay the price for them but I don’t blame Islam or my Imam or my Shaykh for it! Why should I? I made those decisions, if someone helps me undue some of the damage (Alhumdolillah) but the buck stops with me and not my Masjid or my community or my Imam or Shaykh.

Lets call the spade, a spade, eh?

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd October 2013 14:50
Oh, I'm not arguing on the point of the sister herself putting the blame on others - no. I'm arguing for the need (regardless of background) for strength in our communities, cohesion, and support. If the sister blames others, then it would be an indicator to me that she lacks the knowledge necessary to see the broader picture, her place in it, and the need for shukr. I, as a member of the community, am blaming us as a whole for letting each other down. There is nothing wrong with taking a really strong and critical look at our communities to see who we are failing, why, how, and what can we do to create stronger communities.

Khayr, you know more about this particular issue and more about your particular community.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd October 2013 14:56
We don't live in neat little bubbles brother. Allah Ta'aala created us as social beings. Even our beautiful deen, our guidance is transmitted socially. So, if there are people who make such errors, lack the knowledge, or can't see it, then we need to see where we are failing in transmitting that knowledge to them... and we are failing. Even if we never make it through, we still need to continually strive and struggle to try to make it through.
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