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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 12:59

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jazakAllah khair - inshaAllah will do in the weekend.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 13:24
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Careful guys.

I am very cautious with stuff like this. My personal opinion is that this may be kufr/shirk Allahu alum.

Personally wouldn't ask anyone to do it. I've seen too much non sense in my life to believe anything that gets put out there.

I'd rather remain possessed than live in kufr or as a mushrik.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 13:33
How can reading manzil be kufr n shirk?

Define kufr and shirk please.
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 13:40
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I'm talking about laying the shirt on the floor!
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 13:48
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Your personal opinion is that it may be kufr/shirk .

Can you please give a few reasons to why it may be kufr/shirk in your personal opinion?

My personal opinion is that its shaytaan playing with your mind and telling you it might be kufr/shirk so that you express it here, doubts are created without any daleel , and shaytaan wins in the end. No one gets to check whether they have jadoo or not, they don't turn towards quran/ruqya/zikr... shaytaan wins.

Lay it on the table, bed, sofa, kitchen counter, wherever.. it must be still.
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 13:51

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Brother,

You are a Tableeghi and involved with the effort of Eeman. Place your trust in Allah (SWT) and use what is in accordance with the Qur'aan and Sunnah. Shaytaan can easily manipulate a Shirt to make your results appear this way or that way.

  1. Read Manzil and Quls blow on yourself and make it a habit.
  2. If you have a Jinn/Magic problem it will be cured.
  3. If you don’t you will receive the Barakh and blessings of Allah (SWT)

And your Eemaan will remain on Allah (SWT) and his Greatness and Grandeur and not on tips and tricks.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 13:55
What is the difference between the shirt thing and burning 7 chillies?

That is my reason and understanding.
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 13:58

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Even if the shirt technique and chilli burning is Mubah (permissible) in Shariah and proven from the experience of Mashaykh, what is superior Sunnah or experience of some Shaykh?

Isn't it easier for husband/wife/family to read the Manzil and Quls and blow on themselves every single day with the intention of following Sunnah?

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:01
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Can you please give a few reasons to why it may be kufr/shirk in your personal opinion?


I said "I'd rather remain possessed than live in kufr or as a mushrik. " That doesn't mean I wouldn't get treatment the Halal way if it was needed.
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:02
Abu muhammad, please tell me one good reason which makes you think it may be kufr /shirk.

And why do u think 7 chillies may be shirk/kufr.

Or u need no daleel for thinking it may be kufr/shirk?

Fmight be shaytaan making u think ur very pious.
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:04
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Reading manzil is sunnah?
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:08
At the end of the day, either you are right or I am wrong.

But the conclusion will be that If you are right, you are right. And if you are wrong, then?

For me if I am right or wrong, at least my Iman is intact. regardless of what shaytan makes me think.

The odds are on my side and I rather be cautious and not play with my deen or the Iman of others.

If it cant be proven from Quran and Sunnah, I will stick by my opinion and not forcing anyone to follow. Just warning them as I should.
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:10

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Reading Qur'aan is Sunnah and Manzil is Qur'aan, what precisely do you disagree with? Treatment with Qur'aan is Sunnah.

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Agreed.

If people want to leave the clear path of Qur’aan and Sunnah and go with shirt measuring and chilli burning that’s their prerogative!

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:19
Careful guys.

I am very cautious with stuff like this. My personal opinion is that this may be kufr/shirk Allahu alum.

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You say your personal opinion is that this may be kufr/shirk. You are playing with imaan of people. Making people believe something is shirk kufr when its not. I'm asking for one plain simple reason as to why your personal opinion is that it may be shirk kufr.

Or you can make a statement and mislead people without any daleel? Why r u beating around the bush? Just gice me a reason for a hukm of shariah uve ascribed to a practice.

My persinal opinion is hospitals and doctors should be banned it may be shirk to go to them.
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:26
These acts aren't defined in Shariah. If they are used based upon experience, and not taken as part of the Deen, then "some" Ulama allow it.

Personally I wouldn't
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