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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:27
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وَنُنَزِّلُ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ مَا هُوَ شِفَاءٌ وَرَحْمَةٌ لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۙ وَلَا يَزِيدُ الظَّالِمِينَ إِلَّا خَسَارًا

We send down (stage by stage) in the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.

The Hadith states, "Hold on to (the essential use of) the 'black seed', for certainly in it is a cure for every sickness except (the sickness which Allah has decreed for one's) death".

^^^^ If people want to leave the clear path of Qur'aan and Sunnah and go to doctors for bloodtests, urine tests and stool tests that's their prerogative!
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:30
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:30
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Talbees e iblees it is. Branding something as kufr/shirk without any daleel.

Since u have no daleel, can u bring me a fatwa of any deobandi mufti that this is haram/shirk/kufr/bidah.
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:34

Dear Brother in Islam,

Please don't argue for the sake of arguing.

Evidence for cure from the Qur'aan (Numrous):

 

Evidence for Manzil (Musnad Ahmed):

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْد اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ اَبِي بَكْرٍ الْمُقَدَّمِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا عُمَرُ بْنُ عَلِيٍّ، عَنْ اَبِي جَنَابٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عِيسَى، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ اَبِي لَيْلَى، حَدَّثَنِي اُبَيُّ بْنُ كَعْبٍ، قَالَ كُنْتُ عِنْدَ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَجَاءَ اَعْرَابِيٌّ فَقَالَ يَا نَبِيَّ اللَّهِ اِنَّ لِي اَخًا وَبِهِ وَجَعٌ قَالَ وَمَا وَجَعُهُ قَالَ بِهِ لَمَمٌ قَالَ فَاْتِنِي بِهِ فَوَضَعَهُ بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ فَعَوَّذَهُ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بِفَاتِحَةِ الْكِتَابِ وَاَرْبَعِ ايَاتٍ مِنْ اَوَّلِ سُورَةِ الْبَقَرَةِ وَهَاتَيْنِ الْآيَتَيْنِ وَاِلَهُكُمْ اِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ وَايَةِ الْكُرْسِيِّ وَثَلَاثِ ايَاتٍ مِنْ اخِرِ سُورَةِ الْبَقَرَةِ وَايَةٍ مِنْ الِ عِمْرَانَ شَهِدَ اللَّهُ اَنَّهُ لَا اِلَهَ اِلَّا هُوَ وَايَةٍ مِنْ الْأَعْرَافِ اِنَّ رَبَّكُمْ اللَّهُ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَاخِرِ سُورَةِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ فَتَعَالَى اللَّهُ الْمَلِكُ الْحَقُّ وَايَةٍ مِنْ سُورَةِ الْجِنِّ وَاَنَّهُ تَعَالَى جَدُّ رَبِّنَا وَعَشْرِ ايَاتٍ مِنْ اَوَّلِ الصَّافَّاتِ وَثَلَاثِ ايَاتٍ مِنْ اخِرِ سُورَةِ الْحَشْرِ وَقُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ اَحَدٌ وَالْمُعَوِّذَتَيْنِ فَقَامَ الرَّجُلُ كَاَنَّهُ لَمْ يَشْتَكِ قَطُّ‏.‏
 

 

Evidence for placing the hands on place of pain and reciting (Saheeh Muslim):

حدثني أبو الطاهر وحرملة بن يحيى قالا أخبرنا ابن وهب أخبرني يونس عن ابن شهاب أخبرني نافع بن جبير بن مطعم عن عثمان بن أبي العاص الثقفي أنه شكا إلى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وجعا يجده في جسده منذ أسلم فقال له رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ضع يدك على الذي تألم من جسدك وقل باسم الله ثلاثا وقل سبع مرات أعوذ بالله وقدرته من شر ما أجد وأحاذر

Evidence for 7 chillees and shirt methods???

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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:35
Salam

Possession can be of a few types, temporarily, permanently and also sometimes. Some people have it for years but they don't think much of it or even know about it and some are stubborn and say yh I read salah and it won't be a problem, yes that's fine but you also need to get it treated, it's something that needs medication.

However you may know it or not, sometimes even Ruqya doesn't do nothing as some Jinns love the words of the Quran or they have gotten used to it etc. However in London most people who do Ruqya are Salafi sheikhs one or two may be powerful, there's one in Birmingham who's pretty good too apparently but most are not that powerful that people make them out to be, my point is make sure the person who's dealing with you knows what he's on about and your not his experiment.

So back to possession, I was saying you may know it and you may not that your possessed, and the most probably best factor to determine it is through your dreams, and then your life, no matter how much it hides inside you but it'll come in your dreams. Sheikh Ben Halima has done some good talks on this and I would advise anyone interested to check his vids on YouTube how to figure out if your possessed and learn more about black magic etc

This is what the sheikh says :

There are four symptoms of witchcraft and jinn: ■Blockages in life: work, money, marriage, education, support, broken promises, bad luck ... It's when the blockages are abnormal and repetitive to be systematic we know this is witchcraft. ■Abnormal health problems: unexplained pain and permanent odd diseases that medicine can only describe, open wounds, infertility and impotence. ■Abnormal mental states: anger, irritability, sadness, depression, forgetfulness, lack of confidence, lack of concentration, hear and see things to madness, ... ■Nightmares: pursuit, snakes, dogs, beef, uniformed, masks, water, climb or fall or fly, dead or graves, cars or vehicles, fire, fish, husbands or wives of nights

So you ^^ got these then your most likely affected by something, Allah knows best



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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:39
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I have clearly said it and you have clearly repeated it

I said MAY BE I didn't say it IS

However you haven't answered my question

And if you are wrong, then?
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:41

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Brother asked me for evidence of reading Manzil (although it is just Qur'aan) but I have given him specific evidence, am I within my right to ask him for evidence for his shirt method?

Please feel free to click "Agree" or "Disagree" .

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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:52
Can I also ask why the name "Dukhaan" since it means "Smoke"

From all the books I've read and from my understanding, smoke is used heavily to control Jinn. Is the name a coincidence?
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 15:00
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You can ask for evidece but I'm in all my right to decline because the method wasn't claimedto be Sunnah nor even mustahab. It is mubah and there is no harm in doing a mubah.

This is a way of checking and there is absolutely no conflict between manzil and this method. Manzil is cure, this is diagnosis. Claiming that id rather stick to sunnah is academic dishonesty bcoz there exists no conflict. You can stick to sunnah all the time with a mubah.

Abu Muhammad: atleast give a reason why it MAY be shirk. If I am wrong then I'll make tobah, read kalimah and ask you to delete my post.

Bring me a deobandi fatwa.
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 15:07
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I've never come across dukhaan used to cotrol jinns. Since this was a topic abt jinns so I used this name in connection with ibn e sayyad hadith.

Question for Muadh khan: do you adopt this attitude in all aspects of life that id rather stick to sunnah like you get anjob offer you say business is sunnah id rather stick to sunnah or is it just this because it makes u feel proud and elated that u have such high imaan.
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 15:11
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Abu Muhammad: atleast give a reason why it MAY be shirk. If I am wrong then I'll make tobah, read kalimah and ask you to delete my post. [/quote]
Jazakallah, But what if its too late for tobah and kalimah?

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Bring me a deobandi fatwa.

I've already mentioned that some Ulama allow it as long as it is not taken as part of the Deen.


[quote]atleast give a reason why it MAY be shirk.

To believe that that has answered your question or confirmed your doubt, wouldn't that lead to shirk. To ask a doctor who is a professional in this field is one thing, but to ask the shirt! Come on man, you cant be serious. If the shirt tells you something, and you believe it, this would lead to shirk.

There is a Hadith about the brass bangle which was worn to remove aches and pain, and when I tell anyone that it is shirk, they want daleel. Well I give it to them. Wearing the bangle to think the pain has been removed and to lay a shirt on the floor to ask if one has been possessed is even more absurd. IN MY OPINION!

Because one will be accepting the results of the shirt as part of their cure, just doesn't make any sense.

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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 15:16
Brother dukhaan, it is inappropriate to question another brothers imaan.

Please maintain respect for each other and Ulamaa (if topic is about a scholar) by avoiding accusations and slanderous comments. Also remember that in order for criticism to be constructive, it must be channeled in the right direction. If there is any doubt in a matter, it is better to ask, clarify or to remain silent rather than to speak ill of another person.
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 15:22

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Asslamo Allaikum Brother,

Let me try to understand your position.

You can ask for evidence and I am to respond but if I ask for evidence, you have to right to decline? Ok.

I gave you evidence but you went off a tangent and posted a whole bunch of irrelevancies and then declined, ok.

Measuring shirt is permissible because you say it’s a tool for diagnosis but when a Doctor asks for a blood text and says that it’s a tool for diagnosis (never claims for it to be Sunnah) you respond with:

^^^^ If people want to leave the clear path of Qur’aan and Sunnah and go to doctors for bloodtests, urine tests and stool tests that’s their prerogative!

My brother in Islam, since you don’t make any sense I would like to leave you in peace and request your duas because there is no reason for me to get personal with you and start asking you ridiculous and irrelevant questions.

Jazakallahu Khayran

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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 16:01
Our mufti sahib who has done takhasus from jamiat urrashid and runs Madaris and teaches in many and is a tablighi does this shirt test and many authentic ulema in Pakistan who are students of mufti Taqi Usmani and his likes are commonly practicing the measuring technique Don't know what to say
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 16:07
As I said, many Ulama say its ok but with the condition that its not taken as part of the deen.

Almost all lay people will take it as part and parcel of their deen.

Better to be safe than sorry!

We aren't Ulama to practice it, nor promote it.
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