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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 17th October 2013 16:56

As far as I know, this is referring to performing Hajj while in office. Others like the late Turgut Ozal also performed Hajj though not during his presidency.

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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 17th October 2013 17:00

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That's what I tried to say, Sister. Jazakallahu Khayran for further clarification.

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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 26th October 2013 23:51

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2013 09:23

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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd November 2013 05:55

Turkish Schools Offer Pakistan a Gentler Vision of Islam

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2013 16:29

Not sure if you are still gathering information on Islamic schools in Turkey and perhaps you are already aware of tensions that have been reported between the AKP and the Gulen movement, especially after a recent move to ban pro-Gulen prep schools (though the tensions date further back).

Reports refer to the AKP as a party with 'roots in political Islam' and Gulen as a 'prominent cleric.'

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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2013 22:09

I remember thıs article. i read this in Hurriyet. Well my opinion is about this article is that, there are some points i personally agree. Also there are some points i disagree. I agree with statement he says" Metrodaki kızlarla erkeklerin el ele tutuşmaması anonsunu, vapurda oturuş şekli gibi şeyleri doğru bulmuyorum. Bunlar y�netimin şekillendireceği şeyler değil. Bir faydası olacağına inanmıyor, tasvip etmiyorum. Ahlakın sahibi toplumdur, normları toplum belirler, toplum yargılar. İnsanları eğitebilirsiniz, kitap yazabilir, TV'de ilahiyat�ı olarak s�yleyebilirim. Ama insanlara 'Ş�yle oturun, b�yle kalkın' itici gelir. Ahlakın polisi devlet erki değil, toplum olmalı."( He says that making announcements in metro stations about couples not holding hands together, announments in ferries about where people should sit? Goverment cant shape this. I think that it will not have any benefit. The owner of morals is society. Society identifies norms, society judges it. You can educate people. You can write books, TV As a theologian I would say. But you cant say" Sit like that or stand like that" these are repelling. Goverment shouldnt be manner police. Society should") Goverment should be busy with the things it meant to do. Not busy with peoples manners and acting like a manner police. I think that everyone can be its manner police. Also it is really funny to see that, goverment is not doing what it meant to do. Who cares if the couple kissed in metro station. Its none of your business. Also to make announcements in ferries about where people should sit. Plz, again none of its business. This even itself just strange. Another statement which i personally agree is" İslam �lkeleri Batı'dan 300 yıl geride. ��nk� Batı devletleri 300 yıldır halklarına silah doğrultmuyor."( Islamic countries are 300 years behind the West. Because over 300 years the Western Countries doesnt point gun to its people) This is true. Because look at the middle east today? in a terrible state. Muslim countries have civil wars. We are in a century were muslim countries can sell its selves. I think you know which country that is. This is so sad and terrible. Look at Europe do they have these civil wars? NO! Do they have conflicts with its neighbour countries? NO? This is one thing that muslim countries cant do and that is UNITE. European Countries are UNITED. Is Islamic Countries UNITED? NO unfortunately. What we do? have conflicts with eachother. I think this Turkish saying is the best saying to describe what muslim countries doing to eachother " Ayagini kaydirmak" So sad itself. The best thing muslim countries do is UNITE. This conflicts, civil wars wouldnt be solved until muslim countries UNITE.

the part that i disagree with him is" Marmara �niversitesi İlahiyat Fak�ltesi Dekanı'na g�re, İslam d�nyasının tamamında bir kadın problemi var: "Eşimi ve iki kızımı Roma'ya bir haftalığına tatile g�nderdiğimde aklıma cinsel saldırıya uğrayacakları gelmiyor. ��nk� orada �yle bir problem olmadığını biliyorum. Ama fak�ltemdeki kız �ğrenciler, umreye giderken Mekke'deki otelin K�be'ye yakın olmasında ısrar ettiler. Otelden gittikleri bizim Harem dediğimiz, her t�rl� k�t�l�k yapmanın haram olduğu bir mahalde cinsel a�ıdan kendilerini g�vende hissetmiyorlar. Meğer �ocuklar başka şeylerden korkuyormuş. Orada ka�ırma, tecav�z olayları var."(According to Marmara University Faculty of Theology Dean says that Islamic countries have a women problem. " When I send my wife and my two daughters to Rome for 1 week, i dont have the thought of they might get sexually assult. Because i know that they dont have kind of things in there, but when the female students in the faculty goes to Umrah, they try to book a hotel thats close to Kaaba. Even they are in Haram ( the place where you are not allowed to do sins) they feel insecure. It seems that they were scared of something else. Kidnaps and rapes going on there.) "Plz rape can happen anywhere in the world. its is really wrong and unfair to say that Middle East countries have a high rape rate. Dont you see it in news that rape happens in any country. I mean doesnt rape happen in Rome? yes it does.This statement of his is truly unfair.

Unfortunately i cant find the link also it is not translated to English but i translated the parts i quoted. Hope that i have translated it well.

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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2013 22:46

Canim, you can't take these at face value. Look deeper insha'Allah and you'll see more. I totally disagree with the parts you've quoted here but that isn't to say that I don't understand where you're coming from, I do.

Can you provide a link to the article and also, is it translated? If not, canim, you're going to have to translate the parts you quoted here since we are the only active Turks here (there may be many others but no one seems to be active).

JazakAllah khayran sis.

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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2013 23:10

Ablacigim :)

Plz tell me which part is the part you most disagree with me? I will try to translate the parts i have quoted.

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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2013 00:33

Canim, don't worry... sorry, it has been so long, I totally forgot that I had actually linked to the article (see post #15). Unfortunately, I couldn't find an English translation at that time and I don't know if there is one now.

If you can briefly translate the Turkish quotes you used in your post, I think it will put your comments in a bit of context for others reading your post insha'Allah.

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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2013 00:39

Oh, masha'Allah! That was fast sis!

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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2013 00:44

Hahaha hope that now my comments make sense :) Yes plz tell me why you disagree to my comment? You know i be keep asking?

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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2013 06:28

(1) People have been left to govern their own morality in Turkey for the most part and look where morality is now. It is absolutely horrendous and getting worse by the day.

I have a very smart young Turkish friend, masha'Allah, and she has been discovering all these discrepancies between what is being taught in Turkish schools and what history has recorded elsewhere. Not only that, she sees all her friends at school struggling with all sorts of social diseases: cigarettes, dating, alcohol and I'm sure much more. Yes, social diseases... indicative of a dysfunctional society... what kind of norms are these? What kind of theologians are these that think appearing on a television screen with their apologetic mannerisms for a few minutes - lost in a huge wave of channels (over 100?) - is going to make a change across the nation. Who is going to listen to him? Television has more channels and shows that parallel their lives, their dress, their mannerisms, their way of speech... they feel comfortable with it. Television endorses what they do, makes it seem good and 'true.'

Gently and peacefully bridging Turkish 'pop culture' society with Islamic morality is not going to happen canim. From television to textbooks, boats to restaurants, student housing to public parks... Turkiye needs a MAJOR morality overhaul. It is a mess and it most certainly is the duty of elected officials to set the wheels of change in motion insha'Allah. They are representatives of society.

(2) I don't know what is more 'west' than the states where you hear of a new school shooting every few months. They most certainly do point their guns at their own citizens as well as the citizens of other countries... it is either them holding the gun, or they place the guns in the hands of people and pull strings from a 'safe' distance. What this person wrote is absolute rubbish and clearly written to appease a certain segment of Turkish society that likes to hear this kind of talk.

Besides, his words reflect so clearly (at least for me) that Turkish identity is being lost (more-and-more) in the West.... Its a really ugly mess actually.

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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2013 09:00

benim g�zel kız (my beautiful sisters - hope I got this right)...may Allah subhaanahu wata'ala establish the Haqq in Turkey and in every corner of the world, aameen!

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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2013 15:39

Ameen g�zel ablacığım!

Masha'Allah, you're learning Turkish my dear aapa :)

Benim g�zel kız = my beautiful girl

G�zel kardeşlerim = my beautiful sisters (or brothers, depending on who you are addressing... but in this case, sisters alhamdulillah. The '-im' at the end implies 'my' so no need to double it up by adding a 'benim' at the start)

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