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#76 [Permalink] Posted on 1st October 2013 00:54
No churches in saudi arabia I was socked when I heard that theres a church in saudi
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#77 [Permalink] Posted on 1st October 2013 06:03
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In this dajjaliat world everything is possible.
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#78 [Permalink] Posted on 1st October 2013 11:30
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Brother why are you so shocked that there are churches in Saudi Arabia...does Islam not teach tolerance of other religions, race, status, etc... and respect for different faiths and beliefs.

At the prophets salallahualayhiwassalams time did he not tolerate the Jews? Did he not have business transactions with them? Did he not interact with them with kindness?

Did he not tolerate the places of worship of the Jews and Christians when at a time Arabia was majority an Islamic nation?

They are allowed to practice their religion as long as they pay their jizyah. If the current regime does not take jizyah, then we are not answerable for the regime's lack of implementation.

I could be wrong as there are many Hadith saying otherwise.
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#79 [Permalink] Posted on 1st October 2013 12:22

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There are churches and temples in UAE but never heard about about 'em in saudi Arabia - are you sure or are you confusing between the UAE & KSA?

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#80 [Permalink] Posted on 1st October 2013 12:24
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It's incorrect to say that christians and jews are allowed to pracice their religion as long as they pay jizyah. And to say they were tolerated is also incorrect. It clearly goes against the clear hadith:

أخرجوا اليهود والنصاري من جزيرة العرب

Expel the jews and christians from the arabian peninsula.
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#81 [Permalink] Posted on 1st October 2013 12:43
Please place full Hadith here, with full translation, Including narrator. Jazakallah
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#82 [Permalink] Posted on 1st October 2013 13:02

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Jazakallahu Khayran, this is a clear cut injunction of Shariah.

This Hadeeth is Authentic from Bukhari and Muslim and Shaykh Ibn Baz (RA) gave a Fatwa that it is compulsory (an obligation) to expel Jews & Christains from entire Saudia and GCC (except for in severe want and need) ; its a good sign of NIFAQ of Saudees to give Fatwa and then ignore it!

قال الشيخ ابن باز رحمه الله :
" يجب أن يعلم أنه لا يجوز استقدام الكفرة إلى هذه الجزيرة ، لا من النصارى ، ولا من غير النصارى ، لأن الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم أمر بإخراج الكفرة من هذه الجزيرة ، وأوصى عند موته صلى الله عليه وسلم بإخراجهم من هذه الجزيرة ، وهي المملكة العربية السعودية واليمن ودول الخليج ، كل هذه الدول داخلة في الجزيرة العربية ، فالواجب ألا يقر فيها الكفرة من اليهود ، والنصارى ، والبوذيين ، والشيوعيين ، والوثنيين ، وجميع من يحكم الإسلام بأنه كافر لا يجوز بقاؤه ولا إقراره في هذه الجزيرة ولا استقدامه إليها إلا عند الضرورة القصوى التي يراها ولي الأمر ، كالضرورة لأمر عارض ثم يرجع إلى بلده ممن تدعو الضرورة إلى مجيئه أو الحاجة الشديدة إلى هذه المملكة وشبهها كاليمن ودول الخليج .
أما استقدامهم ليقيموا بها فلا يجوز بل يجب أن يكتفى بالمسلمين في كل مكان ، وأن تكون المادة التي تصرف لهؤلاء الكفار تصرف للمسلمين ، وأن ينتقي من المسلمين من يعرف بالاستقامة والقوة على القيام بالأعمال حسب الطاقة والإمكان ، وأن يختار أيضا من المسلمين من هم أبعد عن البدع والمعاصي الظاهرة ، وأن لا يستخدم إلا من هو طيب ينفع البلاد ولا يضرها ، هذا هو الواجب ، لكن من ابتلي باستقدام أحد من هؤلاء الكفرة كالنصارى وغيرهم فإن عليه أن يبادر بالتخلص منهم وردهم إلى بلادهم بأسرع وقت"
انتهى .
"فتاوى ومقالات الشيخ ابن باز" (6/454) .

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#83 [Permalink] Posted on 1st October 2013 13:37
Not disputing the hadeeth just wanted it here in full context, for personal use, and would still appreciate it.... Jazakallah for posting the fatawah.
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#84 [Permalink] Posted on 1st October 2013 14:05

Testing pasting Arabic in a different way. Similar Ahadeeth are also present in Saheeh Bukahri

Imam Nawawi (RA) has collected several Authentic narrations in:

  1. Saheeh Muslim
  2. The Book of Jihad and Expeditions (كتاب الجهاد والسير)
  3. Expulsion of the Jews from the Hijaz (باب إِجْلاَءِ الْيَهُودِ مِنَ الْحِجَازِ)

حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا لَيْثٌ، عَنْ سَعِيدِ بْنِ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ أَبِي، هُرَيْرَةَ أَنَّهُ قَالَ بَيْنَا نَحْنُ فِي الْمَسْجِدِ إِذْ خَرَجَ إِلَيْنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَ ‏"‏ انْطَلِقُوا إِلَى يَهُودَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَخَرَجْنَا مَعَهُ حَتَّى جِئْنَاهُمْ فَقَامَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَنَادَاهُمْ فَقَالَ ‏"‏ يَا مَعْشَرَ يَهُودَ أَسْلِمُوا تَسْلَمُوا ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَقَالُوا قَدْ بَلَّغْتَ يَا أَبَا الْقَاسِمِ ‏.‏ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ ذَلِكَ أُرِيدُ أَسْلِمُوا تَسْلَمُوا ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَقَالُوا قَدْ بَلَّغْتَ يَا أَبَا الْقَاسِمِ ‏.‏ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ ذَلِكَ أُرِيدُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَقَالَ لَهُمُ الثَّالِثَةَ فَقَالَ ‏"‏ اعْلَمُوا أَنَّمَا الأَرْضُ لِلَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَأَنِّي أُرِيدُ أَنْ أُجْلِيَكُمْ مِنْ هَذِهِ الأَرْضِ فَمَنْ وَجَدَ مِنْكُمْ بِمَالِهِ شَيْئًا فَلْيَبِعْهُ وَإِلاَّ فَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّ الأَرْضَ لِلَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qasim, you have communicated (God's Message to us). The Messenger of Allah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said: I want this (i. e. you should admit that God's Message has been communicated to you), accept Islam and you would be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qisim, you have communicated (Allah's Message). The Messenger of Allah(Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said: I want this... - He said to them (the same words) the third time (and on getting the same reply) he added: You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I wish that I should expel you from this land Those of you who have any property with them should sell it, otherwise they should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (and they may have to go away leaving everything behind).

وَحَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، وَإِسْحَاقُ بْنُ مَنْصُورٍ، قَالَ ابْنُ رَافِعٍ حَدَّثَنَا وَقَالَ، إِسْحَاقُ أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ، عَنْ مُوسَى بْنِ عُقْبَةَ، عَنْ نَافِعٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ عُمَرَ، أَنَّالله عليه وسلم فَأَجْلَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم بَنِي النَّضِيرِ وَأَقَرَّ قُرَيْظَةَ وَمَنَّ عَلَيْهِمْ حَتَّى حَارَبَتْ قُرَيْظَةُ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ فَقَتَلَ رِجَالَهُمْ وَقَسَمَ نِسَاءَهُمْ وَأَوْلاَدَهُمْ وَأَمْوَالَهُمْ بَيْنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ إِلاَّ أَنَّ بَعْضَهُمْ لَحِقُوا بِرَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَآمَنَهُمْ وَأَسْلَمُوا وَأَجْلَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَهُودَ الْمَدِينَةِ كُلَّهُمْ بَنِي قَيْنُقَاعَ - وَهُمْ قَوْمُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ سَلاَمٍ - وَيَهُودَ بَنِي حَارِثَةَ وَكُلَّ يَهُودِيٍّ كَانَ بِالْمَدِينَةِ ‏.‏

It has been narrated on the authority of Ibn Umar that the Jews of Banu Nadir and Banu Quraiza fought against the Messenger of Allah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) who expelled Banu Nadir, and allowed Quraiza to stay on, and granted favour to them until they too fought against him Then he killed their men, and distributed their women, children and properties among the Muslims, except that some of them had joined the Messenger of Allah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) who granted them security. They embraced Islam. The Messenger of Allah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) turned out all the Jews of Medina. Banu Qainuqa' (the tribe of 'Abdullah b. Salim) and the Jews of Banu Haritha and every other Jew who was in Medina.

وَحَدَّثَنِي أَبُو الطَّاهِرِ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ وَهْبٍ، أَخْبَرَنِي حَفْصُ بْنُ مَيْسَرَةَ، عَنْ مُوسَى، بِهَذَا الإِسْنَادِ هَذَا الْحَدِيثَ وَحَدِيثُ ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ أَكْثَرُ وَأَتَمُّ ‏.‏

A similar hadith has been transmitted by a different chain of narrators, but the hadith narrated by Ibn Juraij is more detailed and complete.  

Imam Nawawi (RA) has collected several Authentic narrations in:

  1. Saheeh Muslim
  2. The Book of Jihad and Expeditions (كتاب الجهاد والسير)
  3. Expulsion of Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula (باب إِخْرَاجِ الْيَهُودِ وَالنَّصَارَى مِنْ جَزِيرَةِ الْعَرَبِ)

 

وَحَدَّثَنِي زُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ، حَدَّثَنَا الضَّحَّاكُ بْنُ مَخْلَدٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ جُرَيْجٍ، ح وَحَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، - وَاللَّفْظُ لَهُ - حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ، أَخْبَرَنِي أَبُو الزُّبَيْرِ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ جَابِرَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، يَقُولُ أَخْبَرَنِي عُمَرُ بْنُ الْخَطَّابِ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ ‏ "‏ لأُخْرِجَنَّ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى مِنْ جَزِيرَةِ الْعَرَبِ حَتَّى لاَ أَدَعَ إِلاَّ مُسْلِمًا ‏"‏ ‏.‏    

It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

وَحَدَّثَنِي زُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ، حَدَّثَنَا رَوْحُ بْنُ عُبَادَةَ، أَخْبَرَنَا سُفْيَانُ الثَّوْرِيُّ، ح وَحَدَّثَنِي سَلَمَةُ بْنُ شَبِيبٍ، حَدَّثَنَا الْحَسَنُ بْنُ أَعْيَنَ، حَدَّثَنَا مَعْقِلٌ، - وَهُوَ ابْنُ عُبَيْدِ اللَّهِ - كِلاَهُمَا عَنْ أَبِي الزُّبَيْرِ، بِهَذَا الإِسْنَادِ مِثْلَهُ ‏.‏

This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Zubair with the same chain of transmitters.

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#85 [Permalink] Posted on 1st October 2013 14:41
Removed quote to fix the above post. From experience, it is "Quote" mixed with Arabic that is causing the page to crash. Please try not use the quote tab whilst posting with Arabic.

I hate crashed web pages!
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#86 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd October 2013 14:40

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A Sister wearing Shalwar Qameez in the house is still better then a Sister wearing TROUSERS in the house!

:) Just a joke...

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#87 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd October 2013 16:02
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Do a search of the hadith in arabic, I cannot copy paste arabic atm some problem with my browser.

The apologetic mentality of inter-religion tolerance is not very beneficial to muslims in each and every circumstance. There is a time for everything. Cowardice disguised as hikmah!
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#88 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd October 2013 16:05
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very true, salwar kameez is thousand times better than trousers.
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#89 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd October 2013 16:19
I Hate going off topic and when I do I apologies

@Munkasir, Brother Muadh has posted them in Arabic.
@Naqshband66, Brother Muadh means to say that the Woman is the ruler of the house/husband, i.e. she wears the trousers in the house and not the husband, the husband in this case wears the bangles. (if you know what I mean) Hence why the women are better off wearing Shalwar!


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#90 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd October 2013 16:22
you forgot

....and kameez!
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