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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2013 21:57
Nah don't do profiling, useless at putting things together, dont get it half the time.....interesting thread though.
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 09:23
Assalaamu 'alaykum ww
I think I didn't explain too well so let me try again because this has become very important to me. I would have really liked for the topic I started to be totally separate but at least the name has been changed so I suppose it will have todo.

Thinking about this these last couple of days I realise I have made mistakes online for which I certainly paid (Nothing too serious but I did get into online fights) and it was because I let out info which should have remained private. I would like to think this topic will prevent others (Specially sisters) to think twice.

Looking for marriage partners on forums is yet another, totally different subject. Sister Acacia and Brother abu Mohammad, Alhamdulillah there are a majority of us who try to check their intentions continuously. This is nothing to do with seeking marriage partners or intentions....and even if there was no "Cyber Profiling" done amongst us (InshaAllah there isn't) what I tried to say was that by giving out bits and pieces of personal info, a profile emerges. Now shaytaan will get to work and make the person look "appealing" and before one knows it, one is "infatuated" with someone behind the screen! That in itself is sinful and if it gets any more serious it could lead to making contact and only Allah ta'ala knows how many times these situations occur.

@Sister Acacia, regarding this:

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Q: how many of us can hide our gender, our age, our appearance, our likes and dislikes, our location, our levels of education, our occupation, our hobbies, our ambitions and desires from those in the communities we engage with on a daily basis, in real-life? I don't mean those we must deal with but those we want to deal with (i.e. from the ummah, strong Muslim communities). So, for example, brothers go out in jamaat and get to know all sorts of details. Sisters have halaqas and get to know one another quite well. Not only that, we get to know about the details of people who are connected to them whom we may have never met! So, this is unavoidable and clearly quite necessary to function within a community. It is part of being healthy.

Now, if the only community of the ummah you can truly engage with is online but you can not discern details about the people you communicate with... then this makes for a bit of a scary and repelling situation. I can tell you all straight up that if I could not tell at least a little something about some of you, I would not be here. I can also tell you all that if I had (insha'Allah) a healthy external community, I wouldn't be here as often... however, knowing what I went through, I wouldn't want anyone to feel abandoned in the ummah so lets make an effort for everyone insha'Allah. Remember: stay safe and check that niyyah.


when first visiting a forum, (InshaAllah if intentions are correct) one will not search for info about the members before deciding to stay. One will read the content and decide if the forum/blog is on haqq. When I first stumbled across MS & SF I just browsed for months before becoming active...on the other hand when I've visited other forums, just by the looks and content I decided to stay away. I'm sure most of us started off like this as many of us are not even aware that a profile can emerge!

To make things even clearer let me use examples of certain brothers and sisters on MS & SF who never give out any personal info yet we have the highest respect for them (Namely Brother Seifiddeen and our beloved Sister Munawwarah) and there are many more who post extremely beneficial posts with no personal info whatsoever yet we "know" them as respectable people.

*sigh* I wish I was more eloquent!


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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 10:11

There are two issues which need to be discussed and considered.

Writing Style and contextualisation:  Allah (SWT) has created all of us differently so we write, speak, interact and project ourselves differently. This has always been the case since the creation of Sayyidina Adam (AS) and Sayyidia Hawwa (AS). Men and women have always been different and although we look for inspiration but the Tassawuff approach of converting all of us into programmed drones and clones of our Shaykh is neither practical nor Shariah compliant. Sayyidina Fatima Bint Qays (RA) was always a head-strong, vocal personality who always spoke her mind during and after the time of Sayyidina Rasul-ullah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam). Sayyida Sauda (RA) who although was tall and a physically imposing woman but she was neither vocal nor head strong. Sayyida Khadeeja (RA) was calm, collected, analytical and thought provoking while Sayyida Aisha (RA) had her own personality. Sayyidina Rasul-ullah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) unlike Modern Tassawuff didn’t try to make them clones of a specific model! The later history of Islam continues on the same trend displaying women of contrasting and varying personalities. There is no one perfect system of behaviour and neither does the Shariah tries to impose a specific behaviour pattern, rather it gives general guidelines. As Sister Acacia has stated that our names, backgrounds and writing gives away a lot about us anyways for some while some chose not to do so but it doesn't make one style better then the other as long as everyone is Shariah compliant.

As long as mankind is thriving the Creation of Allah (SWT) will shine through all of us and our various styles and tactics. And many will attracted to many (online or in real life) and I don't mean love/romance attraction but even genuine admiration and appreciation. There are a few Sisters whom I genuinly respect and admire (this isn't a love/romance admiration) but appreciation of their skills, tactics and talents.

Cyber Profiling: This is unacceptable whether done for marriage purpose or idle curiosity. It is HARAM and absolutely forbidden

 

[49:12] O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful.

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 10:22
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To make things even clearer let me use examples of certain brothers and sisters on MS & SF who never give out any personal info yet we have the highest respect for them (Namely Brother Seifiddeen and our beloved Sister Munawwarah) and there are many more who post extremely beneficial posts with no personal info whatsoever yet we "know" them as respectable people.

*sigh* I wish I was more eloquent!



True, MashaAllah (although I haven't heard of Munawwarah).

However, I would still see everyone as respectable, even though they get into fights and debates, because all this is in the name of Allah and His Deen.

Its not about being eloquent, because if we just posted straight out of books, the forum would not be an "online community". We post information about ourselves here and there simply to help or benefit others.

To me, it is reassuring that we have "REAL" people with "REAL" experience to explain to us what we can or should do. We all appreciate that we can learn from people who are single, married, divorced, with kids, no kids, parents, children, grand parents, ulama etc etc. If we didn't know this, who would want to believe anything. We appreciate what we read and learn plenty from it.

Look at me, i'm only .. years old but I have experience of a 70 year old and life goes on.

Be positive in life, give people the benefit of doubt and inshaAllah, all will be fine. So long as we are ready to back what we have said, there is nothing to worry about.
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 11:39
not sure how all the tasawwuf stuff is related to the topic under discussion brother muadh, but definitely agree with this:

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Cyber Profiling: This is unacceptable whether done for marriage purpose or idle curiosity. It is HARAM and absolutely forbidden


jazakallah

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 16th January 2014 15:58
بسم الله الرحمن اللرحيم

Many of us have met friends online (same gender) and alhamdulillah we are able to communicate through other means (e.g. e-mail). However, it is always very tricky because not everyone turns out to be a 'friend' - even people who say they don't profile are very quick to ask very personal details (e.g. age, marital status, location, etc.) within the first few communications. To me, this is much more alarming than anything - especially when they are less willing to share their details and they continue to do so under the guise of their online identity. It is worse when people who make certain decision do these things.

Best protection from the above scenario: don't communicate at all. But... in an age where we live in densely populated cities yet are not connected, alone, this may not work for everyone (particularly reverts/converts trying to make connections with other Muslims).

Next best thing: don't give out personal information, including personal e-mail. Set up a separate account and use that insha'Allah.

I think people need to be more careful about these types of situations than putting bits and pieces together here and there... that's going to happen whether you like it or not, whether they tell you or not... and probably happens most with people who say they don't do it.
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