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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 20th May 2013 13:38

Request to Non-Scholars:

You may ask as to why she is being opposed when she is addressing a woman only gathering? The issue isn’t about this specific gathering but the general approach of Sister Yasmin Mogahed (Mujahid) and her general free mixing and the nature of her programs in USA (and also in UK).  We would like to remind everyone of this saying of Imam Ibn Sireen (RA) recorded in Saheeh Muslim when he said:

إن هذا العلم دين فانظروا عمن تأخذون دينكم

This Knowledge is a Matter of Deen, so be careful who you take your deen from.

This blog isn't meant to be a detailed Academic refutation, rather simply a warning for British Muslims to place their trust in the Ulamah (upon the Sunnah) and to boycott a person with Modernist tendencies and it would be ill advised for British Muslims to attend the event to investigate what she has to say during the event!

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 12th September 2013 09:47
Assalaamu Alaykum

I have brought this up privately already and I now bring it up publicly.

Islamic Foundation of Toronto (IFT) conducts an annual Youth Tarbiyah Conference and this year it will be the 13th such event which will take place from September 20 to 22, 2013 at Islamic Foundation of Toronto, 441 Nugget Avenue, Scarborough, Ontario, M1S 5E1.

Some of the speakers as advertised on the website such as Shaykh Yusuf Badat, imam of IFT; Shaykh Zahir Mahmood of As-Sufa (UK), Shaykh Sulayman Moola of Dar al-'Ulum Zakariyya (SA), etc.

Amongst all these scholars and 'ulama there is also a female 'scholar' who will be addressing a the audience (ie. the brothers and sisters) and the audience will be separated as per the organisers.

The female scholar is Dr. Ingrid Mattson.

Dr. Ingrid has a Ph.D. in Islamic Studies from the University of Chicago. She has written many academic articles and served and serves as a professor at universities such as University of Western Ontario, London, Canada. She has also served as Vice-President of ISNA for two terms and thereafter as President of from 2006-2010.

I understand a call was made to boycott Yasmin Mogahed during an event for sisters in Dewsbury, UK based on her history of addressing mixed gatherings as can be seen in the blog.

The blog says in bold:

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We understand that the event planned in Dewsbury is Sisters ONLY however we request our Mothers, Sisters & Daughters to stay away from a person with Modernist tendencies and refer to Ulamah who uphold the Sunnah.


Dr. Ingrid Mattson has written an infamous article in the Huffington Post that generated alot of talk on- and off-line in 2011 titles "What's up with Muslims and dogs?". Read the article and make up your mind. Is this a women who should be addressing our brothers and sisters and be a role-model for our mothers and daughters?

Just on the above, Dr. Ingrid rubbishes the clear-cut instruction not to keep dogs (other then for legitimate reasons) as a mere 'cultural' practice with no basis in the Shari'ah. Read the following responses of the scholars:



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With all of the above said I would like to say that this is by no means a detailed study into the views and activities of Dr. Ingrid Mattson but is a brief introduction.

The point that I would like to make is this:

A call was made to boycott Yasmin Mogahed at a sister's only event due to her modernist tendencies such as addressing mixed audiences in the past.

Dr. Ingrid Mattson has far more modernist tendencies as is evident by her CV, her position at the well known ISNA which promotes a peculiar brand of "American Islam", her writings (one such example given above), etc.

It is a shame that no call for boycott of the event has been made yet.

Is it because of ignorance of the event?

The event itself is being highly marketed with YouTube trialers, Facebook, Twitter and a website.

Or (the hardest question)

Due to the organisers being Deobandi and the fellow speakers being well-known and famous Deobandis?

Let us ask ourself this. And give honest answers. Where are the brothers and sisters from Canada and in specific Toronto?

Was-salaam
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 12th September 2013 10:00

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Asslamo Allaikum,

Yes Jazakullah Khairun for bringing this up to everyon's attention.

As you know that I did contact the organisers in Canada and I was informed that there will be barrier during the speech.

The points which you raise now are more specific to Dr Ingrid Matson (President of ISNA), an organisation which I loathe since my younger days and completely shun everything they have to say. So I little idea about what she says until now, although I knew about ISNA and her in general. I also didn't concentrate on this due to the Birmingham issue.

I have also left a message for As-Suffa and Shaykh Zahir to respond as to what his take is on this.

What I (personally) will not do is to just react because Shaykh Haris Hammam expects action. In the case above we reacted because it was a UK (National issues) and to the best of our knowledge it was the first time something like this was occuring (to our knowledge). 

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 12th September 2013 10:12
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Just to correct - Dr Ingrid is a former president of ISNA (2006-2010).

At the same time - we should not NOT react just because the organiser and other speakers are well-known, famous and influential Deobandis. That would be hypocritical.

Also, to add - I have made it clear that the problem is not whether the audience is going to be mixed or separated. However, the issue is her misguided, modernist views and activities.

If anyone is from Canada/USA can they shed more light?
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 12th September 2013 10:21

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Understood, some queries sent to people to check her views and also trying to contact Shaykh Zahir if he is aware of her views or not.

  1. Query sent to As-Suffa
  2. Twetted Shaykh Sulaiman Moola

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AA...Are you aware of some of the views of Dr Ingrid Matson? Have you checked who will be speaking before agreeing to attend

Twetted Shaykh Zahir

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AA.Are you aware of the views of Dr Ingrid Matson? Have you checked who will be speaking before agreeing to go to Canada?

 

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 12th September 2013 12:36

Asslamo Allaikum,

I have an appointment with Maulana Zahir later this evening to discuss this and will formulate our dicussion later.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 12th September 2013 13:15
Assalaamu 'Alaykum

It would be beneficial to ask him whether he knows the details of the specific event where he is advertised to speak and in particular that one of the speakers alongside his name is that of Dr. Mattson who has modernist tendencies.

Or something along those lines. Need to formulate it better.

I am trying to find a direct way to speak to Mawlana Sulayman Moola and it is extremely difficult to speak to him directly even via email.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 12th September 2013 13:20

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I will discuss it with him in detail about the dog issue, on the issue of women Imams etc she is just treading a fine line: - )

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 12th September 2013 13:23

Dr Ingrid Mattson is a leader of Muslims in North America so she has a different status to Yasmin Mogahed and I will confirm this with Shaykh Zahir.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 13th September 2013 08:00
Assalaamu Alaykum

Can you inform us about your meeting with Shaykh Zahir?
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 13th September 2013 12:00

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W.Salam,

Couldn't meet Maulana after Maghrib so left a message asking for another appointment, no response yet.

Jazakallahu Khaiurn

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 13th September 2013 12:23

Asslamo Allaikum,

My beloved brother has asked a very pertinent question and he said that there have been examples of outstanding women orators in Islamic history so what is the issue with Yasmin Mogahed.

  1. The issue isn't about women speaking because in the Hanafi Madhab natural voice of woman is not Aurah so she can speak in front of Na-Mehram
  2. The issue isn't about women becoming Scholars because there have been outstanding women Islamic Scholars, I myself have women in my chain right above Al-Hafidh Ibn Haj'r Asqalani (RA)
  3. Women teach men even today in Al-Azhar. Shaykh (Dr) Awadullah Yosef told me that he was taught by women (behind Purdah) at the highest level of Hadeeth, he never saw them!
  4. There are instances where women have taught men without Purdah (rare but do exist).

The issue with Yasmin Mogahed are 4:

  1. She is nobody special, no leader, no Hadeeth Scholar, nothing so she has no reason to address men. There is nothing significant to impart. There is nothing which she can impart to men which men can't!
  2. Her use of Makeup (clear from her videos)
  3. Her jokes and laughing/giggling
  4. Men/Women sitting side-by-side in her lectures without barrier, so she is speaking and the audience are not segregated.

This has been discussed by our noble Shaykh Mohammed Daniel in detail

The most important factor is that these mixed-gatherings don't occur in UK and British Muslims have a natural disposition against it so although Yasmin Mogahed's Dewsbury event wasn't mixed but the issue needed to be highlighted to ensure that there is no confusion in the hearts of minds of British Muslims

Hanafi Madhab allows a women to be in a position of power e.g. a woman can be Qadhi (Judge) in our Madhab or in some leadership position. Dr Ingrid Mattson has some key differences to Yasmin Mogahed:

  • She is in a leadership and influential position in USA (for them) so she cannot be compared to Yasmin Mogahed. If she comes to UK or South Africa then yes I probably won't queue up to listen but in North America she in a poisiton of leadership.
  • She is much older in age
  • She is not a laughing/giggly type and is composed/sober in her discussions (from what I have seen).

I need to discuss this matter with Maulana Zahir Mahmood but in my mind Dr Mattson is clearly different. In UK I (as a man) have no Shariah reason to listen to a woman's lecture without barrier but IF the UK Muslims put someone in leadership then the situation may change.

In UK one of the Alimahs is inchare of public relations (she wears a Niqab anyways) of a Mosque and if she was to address Muslims then she is addressing from a position of authority and if she followed an opinion of not wearing Niqab then she can still speak because she has a position of authroity. The first issue is of necessity and even then we will insist on a physical barrier and segregartion. I have received an email that the audience in Canada to Dr Ingrid Mattson will be segregated with a barrier in the middle.

Our (Hanafi) Madhab does permit a woman to rise to "some" positions of leadership (she can't be a Khalifa) according to my understanding and if I am wrong I would like to be corrected.

I know that some of the Ulamah like Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Hazrat) Maulana Abdur-Raheem Limbada (HA) are of the opinion that the voice of woman is Aurah but majority of Ulamah of our (Hanafi) Madhab disagree

The second issue is of Dr Ingrid Mattson's erroneous position on dogs which I need to speak to Maulana Zahir about.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 13th September 2013 15:07
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 13th September 2013 17:24
Post edit (taalibah)
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 13th September 2013 17:48
*about the rulings
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