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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 13th May 2013 14:15

InshaAllah I'll reply to Shaikh Muadh later but he and others will be interested in this Halal video my brother captured in Deoband:

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^ This is where the Silk letter movement started. Turn on audio.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 6th November 2013 06:49
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Ulama e Deoband played the key role in the movement of Indian freedom struggle. But most of us have forgotten our own history. In our Indian Muslim society, especially the followers of ulama e haq are negligent n unaware of their sacrifice for the national cause.
www.asiantribune.com/node/6705
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 6th November 2013 08:46
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Yes, its Ulema of Deoband/Taqwa Muslims who were on Haqq started this freedom struggle. British created rift between Muslims, created fitna to split the strong ummah.
Whereas Brahmins in India started to learn German during WW2, when Germans were defeated - they closed their book "German Seekho"(Learn German).

Its interesting and informative to read Col Sahib's threads on this topic.
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 6th November 2013 09:11
We cant consider Indian Muslims as American Muslims. Because Indian Muslims are more in number & it takes time to analyse them.
Frankly speaking, Indian Muslims leave in 30 + states - hence they adopt their local culture in terms of food, cloth, language, etc. I agree there are few who doesnt think about Muslims outside the border of their house/relatives in India. Please make some dua for them.
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 21st November 2014 12:45
Amazing facts currently being looked into. I was just reading up on some history of the Shia and Muslims of the Indo Pak Subcontinent and saw some really bad results. The Fall of Muslims and the rise of a Muslim country, ironic!

Rumor has it that Muhammad Ali Jinnah was Shia. Some say he embraced Islam again and some say he stuck to his Shia beliefs which he adopted after his visit to Britain.

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Muhammad Ali Jinnah (RA) wasn't practising and that's true but at some time he became Muslim and his speeches and talks of the last 5-6 years of his life clearly reflect that and his Janazah was performed by righteous Ulamah[/quote]

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Mr. I. H. Ispahani who was a family friend of Jinnah, revealed that Jinnah had himself told him in 1936 that he and his family had converted to Shiism after his return from England in 1894. He said that Jinnah had married Ruttie Bai according to the Shia ritual during which she was represented by a Shia scholar of Bombay, and Jinnah was represented by his Shia friend, Raja Sahib of Mehmoodabad. He however conceded that Jinnah was opposed in Bombay elections by a Shia Conference canditate. Ispahani was present when Miss Fatima Jinnah died in 1967. He himself arranged the Ghusl and Janaza
Funeral Bath and Funeral
for her at Mohatta Palace according to the Shia Ritual before handing over the body to the state. Her Sunni Namaz-e-Janaza was held later at Polo Ground, Karachi after which she was buried next to her brother at a spot chosen by Ispahani inside the mausoleum. Ritualistic Shia talqin (last advice to the deceased) was done after her dead body was lowered into the grave. (Jinnah had arranged for talqin for Ruttie Bai too when she died in 1929). Allama Syed Anisul Husnain, a Shia scholar, deposed that he had arranged the gusl of the Quaid on the instructions of Miss Fatimah Jinah. He led his Namaz-e-Janaza in a room of the Governor General’s House at which such luminaries as Yousuf Haroon, Hashim Raza, and Aftab Hatim Alvi were present, while Liaquat Ali Khan waited outside the room. After the Shia ritual, the body was handed over to the state and Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani, an alim belonging to Deoband school of thought known for its anti-Shia belief, read his Janaza according the Sunni ritual at the ground where the mausoleum was later constructed. Other witnesses confirmed that after the demise of Miss Fatimah Jinnah, alam and panja (two Shia symbols) were discovered from her residence, Mohatta Palace. Despite all this Jinnah kept himself away from Shia politics. He was not a Shia; he was also not a Sunni; he was simply a Muslim.

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The lineage of Muhammad Ali Jinnah is also not very good.
He married twice and had only one daughter.
Spouse(s) Emibai Jinnah (1892–93) and Maryam Jinnah (1918–29), Children: Dina (by Maryam Jinnah)

Dina Jinnah wanted to marry Neville Wadia a zoroastrian, against her fathers will, this is turn made Muhammad Ali Jinnah's daughter a zoroastrian too.
[quote]Dina's relationship with her father became strained when Dina expressed her desire to marry a Parsi-born Indian Neville Wadia. Jinnah, a Muslim, tried to dissuade her, but failed. Mahommedali Currim Chagla, who was Jinnah's assistant at the time, recalls: "Jinnah, in his usual imperious manner, told her that there were millions of Muslim boys in India, and she could have anyone she chose. Reminding her father that his wife (Dina's mother Rattanbai), had also been a non-Muslim, a Parsi also coincidently, the young lady replied: 'Father, there were millions of Muslim girls in India. Why did you not marry one of them?' And he replied that, 'She became a Muslim'".

It is said (by Jinnah's associate M C Chagla in "Roses in December") that when Dina married Neville, Jinnah said to her that she was not his daughter any more. It has not been corroborated by any other source. Jinnah allegedly disowned her and the father-daughter relationship became extremely formal after she married. But the legal notice of disowning never came, which is essential for such purposes. They did correspond, but he addressed her formally as 'Mrs. Wadia'.


This couple had two children, one by the name of by the name of Nusli Wadia, also zoroastrian.

Nusli Wadia then went on to marry Maureen, they had two children, Ness and Jahanghir Wadia All zoroastrians.

Ness Wadia went on to marry Bollywood actress Preity Zinta (2005-2009) who doesn't connect her self to any faith, she says "I believe in good deeds, in karma, I don't believe in going to temples. For me, religion is very personal. It's all about having faith ... We have heard and read that all religions are equal. Now I am increasingly believing in this."

Jehanghir Wadia went on to marry Celina Wadia.

All non Muslim from the very start of the birth of a Muslim Nation.
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 21st November 2014 14:20

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Alhumdolillah, your research highlights a few things:

  1. 1936 conversion to Ismaili Shia
  2. Instructions of her (Shia) Sister for Ghus'l after death
  3. Circumstances of chidlren

Let me ask you a simple question. How many Reverts do you know who have had children (before their Islam) who continue to be Non-Muslims during or after their lifetime and Non-Muslim family members dictate funeral arrangements or some sort of compromise is reached between Muslims and Non-Muslim releatives?

The problem is that we have quoations after quotations from Muhammad Ali Jinnah (RA) and Ulama where he professed the Sunnah.

  • Was he always a Muslim? No...
  • Was he practising as a Muslim? No...
  • Was he a Maulana? No...
  • Was he knowledgable? No...
  • Was he praying and fasting consistently? No...
  • Was his idea of Pakistan inspired from Islam or Qur'aan or Sunnah? No...
  • Did his family follow Islam or Qur'aan or Sunnah? No...
  • Did his ideas about Islam, Pakistan and Muslims evolve into a Sunnah oriented? Yes...
  • Did he die as a Sunni Muslim, "Likely"
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 21st November 2014 16:34
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Agree, what his offspring do/did is not in his hand. The fact that he denounced his daughter is proof of his dislike and like for his Deen. The logic used by his daughter is absolutely wrong about her mother's reversion to Islam.

His close association with the Sunni Ulama should be proof of his Aqeedah, the families association with the Shia after his death was beyond his control.

Allahu alum, but we need to see that which is apparent, and that was he saw associated with the Sunni Muslims.
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