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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2012 09:38

Asslamo Allaikum All,

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2012 15:12
The renowned Hanafi jurist, Imam Ibn Abidin, States: 'It is permissible for women to converse with non-Mahram men [and vice versa] at the time of need. However, what is not permissible is that they [women] stretch, soften and raise their voices in a melodious way.' (Radd al-Muhtar, 1/406)

so its not permissable to converse with non-Mahram men [and vice versa] at the time where there is not need, right?
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2012 15:20
Ml Madni from sf wrote:

Actually some 'Ulama are of the view that the voice of a woman is Awra also.

Regardless of whether it's Awrah or not, a woman CANNOT talk to a non-mehram male unless it's very very important.
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2012 15:22

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The renowned Hanafi jurist, Imam Ibn Abidin, States: 'It is permissible for women to converse with non-Mahram men [and vice versa] at the time of need. However, what is not permissible is that they [women] stretch, soften and raise their voices in a melodious way.' (Radd al-Muhtar, 1/406) so its not permissable to converse with non-Mahram men [and vice versa] at the time where there is not need, right?

Asslamo Allaikum,

The ruling of Hanafi Madhab is that beautiful and meoldious voice of woman is Sat'r (Awrah) and HARAM whether done out of need or outside of need. The first quotation is from Imam Humaam (RA) and the second from Imam Ibn Abideen (RA)

صرح في النوازل بأن نغمة المرأة عورة ، وبنى عليه أن تعلمها القرآن من المرأة أحب إلي من الأعمى ، قال : لأن نغمتها عورة ، ولهذا قال عليه الصلاة والسلام

التسبيح للرجال والتصفيق للنساء
فلا يحسن أن يسمعها الرجل انتهى كلامه .

قال ابن عابدين في حاشيته على الدر المختار وهو حنفي قوله: (وصوتها) معطوف على المستثنى يعني أنه ليس بعورة.

 

Hazrat (Mufti) Abdur-Raheem Limbada (RA) has kindly stated that in our time of Fitnah since care is not taken to devoid the voice of beauty and melody he gave the Fatwa of voice of a woman being Sat'r (Awrah).

There is NO REASON for a women to start un-necesssary conversations with strange men anyways so the issue of voice is irrelevant.

Jazakullah Khairun

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd January 2013 18:13
WHAT THE FUQAHA SAY

Let it be clearly understood at the very outset that the fuqaha of all math-habs are unanimous in the prohibition of the exhibition and adornment of the female voice for public consumption. All authorities of Islam aver that it is haraam for women to exhibit, adorn and proclaim their voices for male consumption. The Fuqaha go to the extent of prohibiting women from saying Assalamu Alaikum to males and if men greet them, they should not audibly respond to Salaam. They should respond inaudibly. Their voices should not be heard by ghair mahaareem. The many book sof fiqh make this point very clear. No authority of the Shariah has ever permitted the display and adornment of the female voice designed for public consumption.

The majority of the Fuqaha go a step further and decree that the voice of woman is Satr, i.e. part of her body which has to be compulsorily concealed at all times. A minority of Fuqaha has a differing a view. The minority, while stating the prohibition of the exhibition of the female's voice, say that it is not part of her Satr.

A COLOSSAL ERROR

On the basis of this difference, even some sincere Ulama have committed a grave error......Secondly, this difference of opinion among the Fuqaha has no effect on the prohibition of displaying the female's voice. Even those who say that her voice is not Satr, are unanimous with all the Fuqaha in the prohibition of the exhibition of the female's voice. All fuqaha say that it is haraam for a woman to adorn her voice, speak softly and alluringly to men. All Fuqaha of all Math-habs propagate the imperative need for concealment of woman's voice from ghair mahram males.

The difference regarding the voice being satr or not, has a sequel only in Salaat. Those who say that her voice is star rule that if she performs salaat audibly (i.e. recites qur'aat loudly) then her salaat is invalid even if she performs it alone in the privacy of her home. On the other hand, those Fuqaha who say that her voice is not satr, while teaching that a woman should recite silently, rule that if she recites her qir'aat audibly in the privacy of her home, then her salaat will be valid. The issue of the difference is unrelated to public consumption of the woman's voice or when a woman has to address a man out of necessity.

Taken from Betrayal of Islam - The Debacle of Radio Shaitaan - The Somersault of the Jamiatul Ulama Transvaal by Mujlisul Ulama of South Africa.
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd January 2013 18:15
The Noble Quraan mentions regarding the woman's voice;
"And do not speak in alluring tones so that he in whose heart there is a disease (of lust) desires."
Al-Quraan 33:32


Moulana Ashraf Ali Thaanwi Rahimahullah whilst explaining this verse in his Bayaanul Quraan, mentions that it is quite obvious that the wives of Nabi (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) will never speak in an alluring manner. Therefore, what is meant here, is, that they should not talk in their normal voices, rather they should make their tone rough and stern, so as not to originate desire or enticement. In Madaarikut-Tanzeel the author explains as "qawlan khashinan" meaning that they should speak in a rough and stern tone whereby no attraction is sparked off.
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd January 2013 18:16
The majority of the Fuqaha go a step further and decree that the voice of woman is Satr, i.e. part of her body which has to be compulsorily concealed at all times. A minority of Fuqaha has a differing a view. The minority, while stating the prohibition of the exhibition of the female's voice, say that it is not part of her Satr.
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd January 2013 05:08
I wonder who guest 252161 is................
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd January 2013 11:09
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I wonder who guest 252161 is................


comes across like Sir Humphrey Appleby
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd January 2013 11:45

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The majority of the Fuqaha go a step further and decree that the voice of woman is Satr, i.e. part of her body which has to be compulsorily concealed at all times. A minority of Fuqaha has a differing a view. The minority, while stating the prohibition of the exhibition of the female's voice, say that it is not part of her Satr. [/quote]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Please quote the majority of Hanafi Fuqaha who have declared the normal voice of the woman to be part of her Sat'r.

Please understand the question before answering.

Jazakullah Khairun

[quote="Anonymous"]The Noble Quraan mentions regarding the woman’s voice; “And do not speak in alluring tones so that he in whose heart there is a disease (of lust) desires.”

Al-Quraan 33:32
Moulana Ashraf Ali Thaanwi Rahimahullah whilst explaining this verse in his Bayaanul Quraan, mentions that it is quite obvious that the wives of Nabi (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) will never speak in an alluring manner. Therefore, what is meant here, is, that they should not talk in their normal voices, rather they should make their tone rough and stern, so as not to originate desire or enticement. In Madaarikut-Tanzeel the author explains as “qawlan khashinan” meaning that they should speak in a rough and stern tone whereby no attraction is sparked off.

Absolutely nothing to do with the subject of  normal voice of the woman to be part of her Sat'r in the Hanafi Madhab.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd January 2013 14:13

Asslamo Allaikum All,

Let me clarify the issue once again:

  1. Nothing to do with South African Radio Islam (or any other Radio)
  2. Absolutely AGAINST women talking on Radio let alone appearing on TV/Youtube/Videos
  3. Absolutely AGAINST useless chit-chat, flirting, exchanging emails, PM's, text messages between genders
  4. Absolutely AGAINST useless interaction even on Islamic forums in public

But the issue is how are people claiming that normal voice of a woman is Sat'r in the Hanafi Madhab? Please provide evidence of this from the Madhab.

Jazakullah Khairun

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd January 2013 18:32
Majlisul Ulama of South Africa have written this.
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 4th January 2013 14:37

"Anonymous" wrote:
Majlisul Ulama of South Africa have written this.

Asslamo Allaikum,

Hazrat Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Maulana) Abdur-Raheem Limbada (HA) also claimed the same on his site

www.tafseer-raheemi.com/q554-listening-to-quran-in-a-fema...

So the question still remains that some evidence needs to be provided about the matter from the Hanafi Madhab that it is the strongest and majority opinion. I fully understand that Hazrat (Mufti) A. S. Desai Saheb (HA) has concerns about Radio Islam and female presenters and there is some discussion on the matter in South Africa but that doesn't mean that the majority of the ruling in the Madhab is so.

Jazakullah Khairun

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 6th January 2013 06:15

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Mufti Muhammad Ibn Adam - According to the preferred opinion within the Hanafi School of Islamic law, the voice of a female is not considered part of her nakedness (awra). As such, in general situations, it is permitted for a man to converse with a woman and listen to her voice. However, if there is a fear of falling into some unlawful activity or evil (fitna), then the male should avoid listening to the woman's voice. http://www.daruliftaa.com/question?txt_QuestionID=q-78655723 http://www.daruliftaa.com/question?txt_QuestionID=q-05353843

 

salamualaikum brother.

there will always be fitnah when it comes to men and women interacting with each other.fitnah is always present,just remember the story of the waliullah of bani israail by the name of barseesah.shaitan destroyed him by using a women.whether the woman is on tv or audio, its still fitnah and it arrouses the nafs to zina.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 6th January 2013 06:22

"Muadh_Khan" wrote:

"Anonymous" wrote:
Majlisul Ulama of South Africa have written this.

Asslamo Allaikum,

Hazrat Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Maulana) Abdur-Raheem Limbada (HA) also claimed the same on his site

www.tafseer-raheemi.com/q554-listening-to-quran-in-a-fema...

So the question still remains that some evidence needs to be provided about the matter from the Hanafi Madhab that it is the strongest and majority opinion. I fully understand that Hazrat (Mufti) A. S. Desai Saheb (HA) has concerns about Radio Islam and female presenters and there is some discussion on the matter in South Africa but that doesn't mean that the majority of the ruling in the Madhab is so.

Jazakullah Khairun

 

salamualaikum brother

hazrat moulana a.s desai is correct on his views about radio islam or as he puts it as radio shaiytan.moulana sab is one of the very few high ranking khalifahs of hazrat moulana maseehullah khan (r).his silsalah speaks for its self.we should follow his views on this matter inshallah.

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