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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2012 13:17

Some may find Hazrat's tone a bit harsh but he is one of the great Hanafi Ulamah and I am glad that we have someone in our times who is prepared speak for Islam!

Mufti A.S. Desai (HA)

18 Rabiuth Thaani 1433 – 12 March 2012

The honourable Shaikh Al-Maiqily, one of the Imaams of Musjidul Haraam in Makkah Muazzamah will be visiting South Africa on 19 March 2012. The Shaikh will be visiting a few Musaajid and most probably will be leading the Salaat.


The first issue to take note of is that in all probability the Sheikh will be a musaafir. The Imaams from Saudi Arabia generally perform the full four raka’ts. Therefore, the Salaat of the Hanafi Muqtadis will not be valid behind him should he be performing four raka’ts instead of two.

It is not a secret that the Imaams of the Haramain Shareef when visiting countries do so in the capacity as ambassadors of the faasiq Saudi Arabian regime. The honourable Sheikh is not on a holiday or sight-seeing mission. He is an express messenger of the Saudi regime. It is no secret that the objective of the Saudi regime is to extend its hegemony over the Muslims of the world. Whilst the hegemony of a single Muslim ruler (the Khalifah) over the entire Ummah of the world is a fundamental political and religious requisite of Islam, the Saudi king totally lacks the Shar’i qualification for such a lofty position.
If the Saudi king had been an Islamically qualified man, the entire Ummah of the world would gladly have submitted and would have offered allegiance to him. Unfortunately, the Saudi king is plodding the path of dhalaal (deviation) and has drifted far, very far from Siraatul Mustaqeem. In fact, his direction is the antithesis of Islam. However, in view of seeking to extend his hegemony over the Muslim nation of the world in the name of Islam, he has become a mudhil (one who leads Muslims astray from Siraatul Mustaqeem).
It is not a secret that Saudi Arabia is the slave of the U.S.A.  The king being the surrogate of America is currently holding about 40,000 Muslims, including numerous Ulama, in his detention facilities where torture is a confirmed measure of the Saudi authorities. These horrendous crimes are committed by command of the U.S.A.

 

The list of Saudi crimes is long and heart-rending. It actively aids the U.S.A. in the furtherance of American plots against Islam and the Ummah. Thus, Saudi Arabia plays a leading role in the kufr interfaith movement which  is in negation of  Islam’s Da’wah Movement. Whilst the king proclaims himself to be Khaadimul Haramain (The Servant of the Two Holy Cities), his whole life and policies of government are in diametric conflict of  a man who is supposed to be holding this lofty pedestal.


There is nothing in the Saudi king for Muslims to be proud of. He is viewed by the vast majority of the Ummah as an American lackey, a Zaalim (Oppressor) and a liability to the Deen. The honourable Imaam, Shaikh Al-Maiqily’s visit to South Africa should be viewed in the light of the aforementioned background. We are not asking Muslims to disrespect  the Sheikh. However, it is a grave error to host the Sheikh and to ask him to lead the Salaat in the Musaajid.

It is an established fact that the Saudi regime does not attach itself to any of the Four Math-habs. In fact, they are anti-Math-hab. As such, by giving him prominence, Muslims here are displaying short-sightedness. They will be aiding the Salafi movement which Saudi Arabia is promoting. In terms of the beliefs of the Salafis, Muslims who follow the Math-habs, especially Hanafis, are kaafirs. However, the current atmosphere does not permit them to openly proclaim that we all are kaafirs. Salafis and Shiahs have in common the doctrine of  Taqiyah (Holy hypocrisy) which condones, in fact promotes lies to conceal their true beliefs from the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama’ah which is confined to the Four Math-habs in this age.

Salafis claim that our beliefs are akin to shirk  and in conflict with Tauheed. But the political scenario in the world does not permit them to honestly declare their fatwa of kufr against Hanafis in particular.

By hosting the Saudi sheikhs, Muslims are undermining the Deen. While the freelancing methodology of the Salafis may be appealing to modernists who loathe the fetters which Allah’s Deen imposes on Muslims, the Ulama are expected to act with circumspection and not to embark on any action which undermines Taqleed of the Aimmah-e-Mujtahideen.
We must admonish and warn the Ulama to exercise restraint and not to fall into the snare of material and monetary gains offered by the Saudi regime in lieu of allegiance.  Perks in the form of free Hajj tickets, 5 star accommodation, visas, cash, etc. are, sad to say, tempting to many sheikhs and molvis of this age. For the acquisition of such perks, some Ulama are prepared to barter away the Haqq by hosting the ambassadors of Saudi Arabia and promoting its objectives.

The Madaaris should exercise extreme caution in this matter. When a Madrasah hosts a Salafi or an ambassador of the corrupt, treacherous Saudi regime, the students are deflected from the Haqq. Salafi’ism will simply be regarded as not only another math-hab, but as the math-hab to follow. The nafs always inclines to ease and detests the chains of the Shariah. Many of these divinely imposed chains of the Math-habs are unshackled by Salafi’ism.


The shallow-mindedness of some Ulama is indeed lamentable. Despite being aware of the oppression, brutality and torture committed by America in the Lands of Islam – in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. – they feel no qualms about hosting a representative of a regime which aids and abets the U.S.A. to the hilt in the perpetration of its horrors on large segments of the Ummah. That Saudi Arabia is openly in collaboration with the U.S.A., is no secret. That Saudi Arabia extracted from a panel of establishment Ulama a fatwa to cloak the American invasion and destruction of Iraq with Shar’i acceptability and respectability, is not a secret.  In all the haraam and brutal adventures of the U.S.A., Saudi Arabia has been its supporter.  It is the duty of Muslims to clearly inform the Saudi authorities, their representatives (the Saudi Embassy) and their ambassadors such as the honourable Imaam of Musjidul Haraam, that Muslims view with concern and abhorrence the Saudi marriage with the U.S.A.  The time is not far that this very master of Saudi Arabia (the U.S.A.) will be the cause for the dismantling of Saudi Arabia. The West has created Saudi Arabia and the West will destroy it.

The Saudi ambassador should be made aware of the disgust of the South African Muslim Ummah on the issue of the total destruction of all Islamic and holy relics in the Haramain Shareefain. Whilst all  relics and historical signs of  Islam have been demolished and the demolition is still in progress, the  palace of the Yahudi, Ka’b bin Ashraf has been left intact by the command of America via UNESCO. The palace of the Yahidi is an ‘historical monument’ for the kuffaar, hence the Saudi regime has been ordered to  retain it and treat it as such. On the other hand, the sacred homes of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), of the Sahaabah and many other holy relics have been destroyed.
Another disgraceful feature of the Hajj landscape, to which the attention of the honourable Shaikh should be drawn, is the filthy, immodest, western-style standing urinals in Mina and Muzdalifah for the Hujjaj. Whilst it is haraam for Muslims to urinate standing like asses for no valid reason, the Saudis are increasingly westernizing the already totally commercialized Hajj. These vile urinals are polluting the sacred aura and spirit which should accompany the important act of Hajj. Whilst the totally westernized brains of the Saudi king will not comprehend the abhorrence of the standing urinals, perhaps the Imaam will. In all likelihood the Imaam may be unaware of the existence of the abhorrent contraptions. His attention should be drawn to this very important issue. When the last Saudi Sheikh had visited South Africa, we had prepared a letter for him. However, the South African poodle attached to the Saudi embassy had refused to hand the letter to the Imaam.

 

For the sake of the Deen, it is incumbent on the trustees of all Musaajid to refuse the requests of the Saudi embassy for hosting the honourable Sheikh.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd March 2012 13:24
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUHvKAglD6I&feature=g-all-u&conte...

Hanafi Fiqh Channel wrote:
The Imam of Ka'ba, Shaikh Abu Ibrahim Sa'ud ibn Ibrahim ibn Muhammad ash-Shuraim visited Darul Uloom Deoband on 4 March 2012 Sunday.

He arrived in Darul Uloom Deoband via helicopter and landed around 1 O'clock. Mufti Abul Qasim Nomani presented him Words of Thanks in the grand Jama Rashid and welcomed him in Deoband. The Imam also addressed the gathering and admired Deoband for its important role in the cause of Islam. He conveyed a message of peace and uity and invited the Muslims to pay attention to Dawah and Tabligh. Maulana Arshad Madani summarized the essence of his speech in Urdu for the common audience.

Later, the Imam al-Shurain led the Zuhar Salah and thousands of Muslims offered the prayer behind him. All the streets leading to Darul Uloom and around were packed with the crowd of people gathered to welcome the Imam and to perform Zuhar Salah behind him.


I wonder if they received the Fatwa and Passed on the message to the respected Shaykh.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd March 2012 17:25
So I our salah valid behind the imams of the haram? When we go there?
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd March 2012 20:56

"rizmalek" wrote:
So I our salah valid behind the imams of the haram? When we go there?

Asslamo Allaikum,

Your conclusion is incorrect, please read again as to what Mufti A. S. Desai (HA) is saying carefully and why and under what context.

Furthermore your congregational Salah has nothing to do with the "status of the Imam". This is Islam and not RockNRoll so as far as Salah is concerned the Imam of Haram leading is no superior in Sunnah to your local (regular) Masjid Imam leading.

Jazakullah Khairun

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd March 2012 21:00
Jazakallahu khair.

I had replied to this earlier saying something similar and then deleted it as the post was then edited. I thought it would better to let the seniors reply first.

And I'm sure brother rizmalek had read my reply as I left it there long enough.

Jazakallah.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd March 2013 14:45
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2013 09:14
This is nothing but RockNRoll Islam because the Imams are Haram are not even Scholars of high status.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2013 11:58
The Imams are not just selected for their elegant voice and tajweed.

These Imams are more qualified than many of our imams and are highly educated too. Some are doctors, engineers, scholars etc.

Please refrain making such comments, for they are the inheriters of the prophet wether you like it or not.

See this link for more details about who and what some of them are.

www.muftisays.com/forums/55-members-research-group/5932-i...
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2013 21:21
abu mohammed wrote:
The Imams are not just selected for their elegant voice and tajweed.

These Imams are more qualified than many of our imams and are highly educated too. Some are doctors, engineers, scholars etc.

Please refrain making such comments, for they are the inheriters of the prophet wether you like it or not.

See this link for more details about who and what some of them are.




Highly knowledgeable person who just happened to arrive in the Pakistan right at the height of Lal Masjid fiasco and suddenly the whole country happened to be hooked on praying behind Imam of Haram and then he makes dua for Musharaf so the whole country happens to follow the Imam and also make dua for Musharaf

watch Sudais make dua for pakistani Taghut Musharraf
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2013 21:37
If the Imam went to Rome and led the Muslims in prayer and made Dua for the pope, surely every Muslim would say Aameen, regardless of understanding the Dua or not, but acknowledging that he made Dua for the pope.

I'm sure you will say Aameen to my Dua for the pope too.

May Allah guide the pope to the straight path and give him the ability to lead his people towards the oneness of Allah and accept the call to Islam. Aameen.

May Allah guide us all and keep us all on the straight path, give us strength and power and to use it according the book of Allah, including Musharraf, Zardari, nawaz Sharif, the leaders of Bangladesh, India, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, USA, UK, and the rest of the world. Aameen.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2013 21:42
Ameen
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 4th March 2013 09:22
Insha'Allah we will know the reality pretty soon when Mahdi emerges.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2013 21:28
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Insha'Allah we will know the reality pretty soon when Mahdi emerges.


salaam

how soon?

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2013 21:31
Apologies for being harsh, but stop making pathetic comments.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd April 2016 11:54

Introduction

Academically in the Hanafi Madhab, two opinions exist with regards to the prayer of someone following an Imam (in prayer) and these are summarised as follows:

  1. Is the prayer of the Muqtadi (follower) evaluated and deemed to be valid according to the principles of Madhab of the Muqtadi (follower) i.e. the Hanafi Madhab?
  2. Is the prayer of the Muqtadi (follower) evaluated and deemed to be valid according to the principles of Madhab of the Imam (leader) i.e. whichever Madhab he is following?

Academic discussions are meant to broaden the horizons of research and enable hearts and minds to come closer. However, due to rightly guided pious Islamic Scholars articulating their position and issuing Fatwaas based on position 1 many (laymen) have lashed against their position being narrow-minded and for them to have a sectarian agenda. These Scholars are fulfilling the trust (upon them) by conveying what they believe to be the strongest position of their (respective) Madhab.

We believe that the other position (2) of the Hanafi Madhab has not been sufficiently articulated on the Internet and hope that the gap will be fulfilled by this brief treatise on the subject. In our discussions and research all Ulama are vehemently against division (of Muslims) and sectarianism. The differences between Madhahib should be placed in their Academic context and viewed accordingly.

 

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