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#7381 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2024 13:21
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Forget looking, in my life I had never felt so many women touching my bare or clothed body during the one mistaken round of Tawaf next to the Kabbah.

At that point if Iron Rods were to have rained down, it would have been better than doing Tawaf.

It was heartbreaking. An urban planner can easily come up with a solution. But only if the people in control actually cared about Islam.
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#7382 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2024 13:36
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I have previously thought of splitting ground floor mataaf by genders. Inner ring for one gender and outer ring for another. Change it up so both get fair opportunity. First floor mataf and second floor maaf allocated to each gender. Same goes for saee. Dedicated gates for both genders to enter haram.

Same goes for masjid e nabawi, they already have separate doors but I would go far as having separate gates (the metal ones to enter court yard before the masjid itself).
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#7383 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2024 13:51
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A few hajees do 2 hours tawaf on upper floors. One per day. They won't enter mataaf when there is crowd. They look at roof, because ladies keep their trousers above the ankle.
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#7384 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2024 13:52
During hajj, rooms are alloted on sharing basis where women are in the same room with other gair mahram for upto 30-40 days and no one bats an eyelid.
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#7385 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2024 13:55
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they claim they are Arafati brothers and sisters.
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#7386 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2024 14:03
Please open a new thread to dicuss these points as this thread is mostly for the News. :)
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#7387 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2024 14:05
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Is this for indian groups? Same hotel rooms?
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#7388 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2024 17:33
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Rooms allotted to pilgrims have 4-5 beds and accordingly rooms are shared between unrelated people. This s the norm for pilgrims from india. Dont know about other countries
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#7389 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2024 22:05
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Never heard of opposite gender sharing rooms unless family members.
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#7390 [Permalink] Posted on 27th March 2024 01:52
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Scholars have said given how busy it is, there is no blame on you for who comes in to contact with you, otherwise the roof (if it's open) is the easiest option, though might take you longer and will have to cope with sore feet.
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#7391 [Permalink] Posted on 27th March 2024 05:15
Inna lillahi wa Inna ilayhi rajioon.

ZINA GROPING IN FRONT OF THE KA’BAH

Q. A lot of women are saying they were groped and sexually assaulted by men during Hajj and Taawaf. Their bottoms and breasts were grabbed and so on, including my mother. What is the solution to this? Can the hajj be segregated? What should the punishment of such a man be? I’ve heard it’s been done by Saudi guards as well. This has really disturbed me a lot. Wallaahul Must-aan!

A. Yes, only Allah is the Musta-aan. Only Allah Ta’ala can help the Ummah in this rotten, satanic state which prevails even right at Baitullah Shareef. The only available solution for the shocking filth taking place in the Holy precincts is to refrain from going for Nafl Hajj and Umrah. In the present scenario it is HARAAM to go for Nafl Hajj and Umrah There is nothing one can do to curb this filth and fitnah because the Najdi Saudi regime is kuffaar, and these miserable villains are allowing all this corruption to happen.

Only the authorities can segregate the men and women.

But they will not do so since they are not even Muslims.

It is incumbent to stay away from even the Holy Cities. Only those on whom Hajj is Fardh should go. It will not be permissible for a woman to make Tawaaf without her male mahram.

Zindeeq morons who have lost their Imaan always present intermingling of men and women in Musjidul Haraam as ‘daleel’ (stupid proof) for claiming permissibility. Their moronic argument is that if it is not permissible for women to attend Musjids as the Ulama-e-Haqq propagate, then women would not have been allowed to make tawaaf with men. According to these morons whatever happens in the Haram is proof of the Shariah. By the same token they now say that the zina groping as mentioned in the question is permissible because it happens in the Haram. Their brains are corrupted by shaitaani manipulation. Zina-groping is now a new ‘daleel’ in the armoury of stupidity of the morons. Henceforth groping women in the Musaajid will be permissible according to the morons because this takes place in the Haram.

Many women are now exposing the zina harassment to which they had been subjected to by swines in the Haram Shareef right in front of the Ka’bah Shareef and whilst waiting to kiss Hajr-e-Aswad. There can be no worse pigs than these evil scoundrels.

Those who perpetrate the heinous acts of zina right in front of Baitullah Shareef are worse than pigs. These swines cannever be Muslims. It does not occur to them that it is quite possible for Allah Azza Wa Jal to physically transfigure and transform them into pigs and apes or into stone. In bygone times a man and a woman had been transformed into rocks for having committed zina in Baitullah. The mushrikeen then made deities of these zina idols and worshipped them.

Those who perpetrate such filth in the Haram, if they are not physically transfigured, they should know that at least their hearts have been transmogrified into pigs and apes.

In these circumstances it is HARAAM for women to go to Makkah for Umrah or Nafl Hajj. Only such husbands who are DAYYOOTH can be comfortable with the acts zina to which their womenfolk are subjected. There are utterly shameless and without a semblance of honour (ghairat).
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#7392 [Permalink] Posted on 27th March 2024 09:30
Please only post relevant issues to the current topic, otherwise please start a new topic. Jazakumullah
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#7393 [Permalink] Posted on 27th March 2024 12:37
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#7394 [Permalink] Posted on 28th March 2024 14:00
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These are incidents are extremely rare far and between.

I go every second year and never experienced such things.

Those that genuinely believe, this happens more frequently, should not go otherwise.
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#7395 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd April 2024 09:33
Over a million worshipers throng Two Holy Mosques to spend last 10 days of Ramadan


As the holy month entered its final phase on Saturday, the 20th day of Ramadan, the faithful are well prepared to reap the fruits of the holy month by performing Umrah and embarking on vigorous prayers and worship by offering taraweeh and qiyamullail prayers.

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MAKKAH — More than a million faithful from within the Kingdom and all around the world have thronged the Grand Mosque in Makkah and the Prophet’s Mosque in Madinah to spend the last 10 nights of the blessed month of Ramadan. As the holy month entered its final phase on Saturday, the 20
th day of Ramadan, the faithful are well prepared to reap the fruits of the holy month by performing Umrah and embarking on vigorous prayers and worship by offering taraweeh and qiyamullail (late night) prayers.

The entire premises of the Grand Mosque and the Prophet’s Mosque were filled with crowds of worshipers to perform the night prayers in a spiritual and serene atmosphere amid an integrated system of services provided by the Saudi government for the comfort of the worshipers. The pilgrims and visitors have flowed since the morning into the mataf (circumambulating area around the Holy Kaaba), courtyards of the Grand Mosque, and roads leading to the Two Holy Mosques.

The General Authority for the Care of the Affairs of the Grand Mosque and the Prophet’s Mosque, in coordination with various departments and agencies, has made elaborate arrangements to provide all services to Umrah pilgrims and worshipers so as to enable them to perform their worship in ease and comfort. The authority started on Saturday implementing its operational plan for the last ten days of the holy month, amid the integration of the system of services provided and the harnessing of human and mechanical capabilities for the comfort of those visiting the Grand Mosque and the Prophet’s Mosque during the holy month.

Elaborate arrangements have been made under the close supervision and monitoring of the heads of various government departments and security agencies to ensure the smooth flow of pilgrims. The authority has mobilized more than 4,000 male and female workers, supervised by 200 Saudi officials, working around the clock, for cleaning the Grand Mosque and its courtyards as well as 3,516 toilets, in addition to taking care of 9,155 Zamzam containers, more than 35,000 new carpets in all the prayer halls and courtyards of the Grand Mosque, and 3,000 hand carts as well as 2,000 electric vehicles, and 6,000 vehicle pushers.

In a related development, thousands of worshipers started on Saturday i’tikaf (the ritual of seclusion and staying in the mosque with the intention of worshipping) at the Two Holy Mosques following their online registration.

Meanwhile, the Presidency of Religious Affairs at the Grand Mosque and the Prophet’s Mosque has intensified the sessions and programs for memorizing the Holy Qur’an at the Two Holy Mosques during the last ten days of Ramadan. These included a ‘permanent program’ for memorizing the Holy Qur’an for men and women 24 hours a day. A total of 1,230 male and female students joined this program for which there are 102 male and female teachers. There is another ‘program for correcting recitations’ for male and female visitors, divided into six periods, and 1,300 male and female visitors would benefit from it daily.
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