Jummah khutbah in the light of the 4 madhabs

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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2011 14:49

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Since the kuthbah is equal to 2 rakahs it has to be performed in arabic.

You cannot perform salah in english, it will be invalid. Similarly the kuthbah will need to be performed in arabic as it is equivalent to 2 rakahs.

Fairly straight forward.

So kuthbah in english is not valid. Invalid kuthbah = Invalid Jumma so you'll have to perform 4 fardh for Zuhr.

so whos fatwa is this?
something new we should be aware off?

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2011 17:27

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"rizmalek" wrote:

Since the kuthbah is equal to 2 rakahs it has to be performed in arabic. You cannot perform salah in english, it will be invalid. Similarly the kuthbah will need to be performed in arabic as it is equivalent to 2 rakahs. Fairly straight forward. So kuthbah in english is not valid. Invalid kuthbah = Invalid Jumma so you'll have to perform 4 fardh for Zuhr.

so whos fatwa is this? something new we should be aware off?

Asslamo Allaikum,

Brother is pretty sure about his Fatwa so the matter is closed for him and needs no further discussion.

For you or anyone else who wants to research the subject then the matter should be discussed with Ulama-e-Kiraam because In Islamic Fiqh matters are discussed on merit and on the situation and injunctions may vary.

In Summary, there are some details on this issue in the Hanafi Madhab. This is a very common situation for many Muslims outside of UK so we had to investigate and dig deeper into the matter.

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Khutbah should be delivered in Arabic and that is SUNNAH, no doubt about it.
However, if it is delivered in any other language then the Salah is valid (although Makrooh):

http://askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=8073af5268d2ac2a81c8a3ce82f56cfa

Where the person has no choice in the matter and cannot find any other venue and has no control on the matter then the Fatwa is given on view of Imām Abū Ḥanīfāh and the weak view of Imām Abū Yūsuf (May Allah Ta'ala have mercy on them both) that the khuṭbāh and ṣalāh will be valid.

http://euro-sunni.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=599

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2011 08:32

Jazakallah for your comments brother Muadh Khan and the links.

I've been away from work so have not been able to reply earlier!

I think your right its better to leave it here, I was going to post a reply to "sister in islam" as i was amazed shes never heard of what i said previously but any hoo lets just leave it.

Jazakallah again.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2012 18:47

Question: Can the jummu'ah sermon be delivered in English?
Answer: Imam Malik(R.A):
Jummah khutbah is obligatory in Arabic. If there is no one to deliver it in arabic then jummah will not be prayed. Instead zuhr Salah will be prayed. Jummah will NOT be valid.
Imam shafi'ee , ahmad, imam muhammad, imam abu yusuf:
Jummah sermon in Arabic is obligatory. To learn Arabic for the sermon is fardh kifayah. If there is no one who knows Arabic then each and every person will be sinful. It will be better to pray zohar. But if you do pray jummah and there is no one to deliver the khutbah in Arabic then the khutbah can be delivered in English although you will be sinful.
Imam abu hanifa(R.A):
Jummah in English is makrooh tahreemi and in times of need then allowed. I.e when no one knows how to deliver it in Arabic. If someone does deliver it in English then jummah will be valid.

Reasons for the khutbah being in Arabic:
1) The khutbah is the equivalent to the two rakats of Zuhr Salah.
2) In the quran khutbah is called ذكر الله . And in a hadeeth of bukhari shareef it says that the angels listen to the ذكر in jummah. From that it is known that the real objective of jummah is ذكر not a speech or advice. People have a misconception on this matter by thinking that the jummah khutbah is for advice/bayan. When in reality it is for the rememberable of Allah.
3) In the khutbah quran ayats are prayed in Arabic. And the promised reward for reading the Quran is when recited in Arabic.
4) There is a fixed certain time in when you can do jummah khutbah. A speech or bayan can be given at any time.

5) If a person praises Allah and zikr and durood then jummah khutbah will be done. Even if there is no speech. From that it is clear that the purpose of jummah is the ذكر of Allah.
6)The sahabah conquered many lands but none of them gave the Friday sermon in any language besides Arabic. Many sahabahs were foreign but all still learned to do the khutbah in Arabic. Even Hadhrat salman Farsi(R.A) in his hometown of Iran while giving khutbah gave it in Arabic.
7) Azan, Salah are both in Arabic. There is no room for alternation.
8) khutbah is a امر تعبدي and not امر عقلي. We do not need to know the reason for it being in arabic. It Is the same as رمي،حلق،سعي... Someone can say that سعي was done by Hadhrat hajar alaykumus Salam because she was looking for water why should we do it. We have water. Or Hadhrat ibrahim alayhi Salam pelted the shaytan. Why are we doing رمي. These are things not to be understood but the purpose of them is to see whether we obey allahs commands even if we don't understand them.
9) For those people who believe the purpose of jummah is bayan and advice, why not just give the bayan in any of the other 6 days of the weeks why the 15-20 minuites of jummah.
10) people have been encouraged to learn the Arabic language. So they may understand the Quran, hadeeth and the khutbah. Instead of saying we don't understand the language, why not make an effort to understand it.
10) There is a consensus of the whole Muslim Ummat from the prophet(S.a.W) 's times till today that the language of the Friday sermon is Arabic. If any person or a group of people oppose the consensus then the opinions of these people will not be accepted no matter how big of a scholar they are.

The people who believe the language of the Friday sermon should be English, as proof they use the following ayat of the quran:
وما ارسلنا من رسول الا بلسان قومه ليبين لهم.
Answer: for these people there is a simple answer. Tell them that the purpose of the Friday sermon is not to make anything clear for you. It is not a bayan, nor a speech, nor advice, nor encouragement, nor anything else for that matter. Rather it is for the praise of Allah the lord almighty.

Some people say that the bayan that is done before the jummah khutbah is bid'ah and now in total there will be 3 khutbahs in total:
Answer: 1) how will there be 3 khutbahs in total when Azan is given after the bayan. Which means the Azan is a break. And also no one believes that this bayan is compulsory. Therefore hardly any attends this bayan.
2) Mufti taqi uthmani: in the time of Hadhrat Umar (r.a) khilafat, Hadhrat tameem daree (r.a) asked for permission to deliver a speech every Friday before the Friday sermon. Hadhrat Umar (r.a) refused. Again he was asked. Again he refused. After constant requests he accepted. So every Friday Hadhrat tameem daree(r.a) would deliver a speech until ameerul mu'mineen would come to the مصلي to deliver the Friday khutbah.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2012 23:23

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Jazakallah for your comments brother Muadh Khan and the links. I've been away from work so have not been able to reply earlier! I think your right its better to leave it here, I was going to post a reply to "sister in islam" as i was amazed shes never heard of what i said previously but any hoo lets just leave it. Jazakallah again.

nore have I. infact i asked 2 mufti's (one in my area and one who used to be in my area) and both said despite the khutbah not being in arabic the jumma salah will still be valid.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2012 23:41

I prefer the view of the salaf.

Even Mufti Abdur Raheem said its not allowed to be done in English.

I came across a Turk once who wanted to argue about why we had to do Salah in Arabic and why we couldn't just do it in any other language. This is the same thing. The khutbah is equivalent to 2 raka'ah of Salah. Therefore must be done in English.

There are some narrations that say that if you miss the khutbah, there is no Jummah. Etc. So if you have the khutbah in English only there was no khutbah so there was no jummuah.

I think Mufti Taqi usmani stated once that the praise of Allah must be done in Arabic in both halves to fulfill the rights of the khutbah and that another language could be used.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 29th February 2012 00:07

so do i. i've only ever prayed my jummah a few times in my life with a kutbah with a mix of arabic and english. one being most recently behind shaykh ahmed saard (ha) at finsbury park (subhanallah man has he got beautiful qirayat or what!) . his open-house QnA after jumma legendary also!

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 29th February 2012 08:50

what i say is one should give the khutabah in arabic,then translate it in english,because not all can understand arabic,and it is very importent to understand the khutabah,as how else will one learn?

brother regarding this.. my local majsid has bengali, pakistani, indian, english and so on.. how many translation can the imam provide

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 29th February 2012 09:54

Asslamo Allaikum,

The Ummah is in a mess BECAUSE of letting go of Sunnah and COMPROMISING. If Khutbah is only delivered in Arabic as it should, it would force:

People to learn Arabic so they will have to understand
Imams will have to find time to teach people their Deen outside of Friday Prayers
People who currently just listen to the Imam once in a week will have to attend even more!

Instead of sticking to Sunnah we have compromised the Deen and many people only come for Friday and say "Imam did a wicked Khutbah this week...."

The heart of a Muslim should be in the Masjid. In the ENTIRE HISTORY of Islam Friday Khutbah has NEVER BEEN the primary vehicle for imparting Deen by ANYONE! Imams/Scholars had their Halaqahs throughout and everywhere and Friday was Friday.

Secondly, long KHUTBAHS are AGAINST SUNNAH so when you speak English/Urdu or whatever you will invariably speak for long periods because you are explaining things...

Lastly, take a good look at all the compromises we make for the Deen and try to use our brain instead of beautiful Sunnah (which is based on Wahi) and you will find that we do more harm then good "ALWAYS"

Jazakullah Khairun

P.S: According to Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) Salah done after Khutbah in Non-Arabic is valid but that's not the point, here.

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 17th July 2013 07:40

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakathuh

Many scholars clearly allow taking opinions from different Mujtahids. This is not "Salafism", Islam is not so rigid that you are forced to take all the opinion of a single scholar or school of thought. SubhanAllah, this is certainly not the case.

Other scholars have said that it is fine if the Jummah Khutbah is not in Arabic. I have always been fine with it not being in Arabic and wouldn't have it any other way until the group of Muslims who attended the masjid knew Arabic.

Other scholars do not consider this khutbah to be equal to two rakat.

So you should respect their opinion. I'm sure you consider your opinion the correct and superior one. That is certainly your right. I do not, and I think you also follow opinions that are extremely incorrect due to the numerous evidences against it, such as a virgin being able to marry without a wali. However, I do not rebuke you or say your salah is invalid, subhanAllah. That's the easy way out-to dismiss a Muslim like that. Easy to go that route and say "my way or the high way." But you don't know, perhaps those words are being recorded against you.

So SubhanAllah, the solution to this Ummahs problems is not that you harshly rebuke everyone who doesn't agree with the scholars you are inclined the follow, the solution is to be gentle with every Muslim. If you consider your opinion correct then teach other Muslims Arabic and gently advise them to listen to an Arabic Khutbah.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 17th July 2013 10:44

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W-Salam,

In general I would agree with you but specifically in this case we have two very clear cut choices:

There is no precedence amongst the Salaf and earliest generations of Islam in doing Friday Khutbah in any other language other than Arabic although they went into new territories and knew that these new Muslims didn’t know Arabic
There were dealing with new Muslims who knew nothing about Islam in Persia, India, Indonesia etc while we are now 1300+ years later so why should dispensations be given now?

In my opinion, it destroys the ethos of Islam and opens up dangerous doors and people may even start praying in English (already happening in USA) and we will get new anomalies in Islam like “Fiqh of America” by Imam Warith Deen Mohammad

Tariq Ramadhan is calling for European Islam!

Where does this end?

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 17th July 2013 11:12

If we don't hold our stance we could end up with The Atta Turk situation.

I've met people who argue that we should be allowed to offer Salah in our native languages etc. This I will just lead to utter destruction of the Deen.

We do what we can to stop what we can and keep alive the way of the Salaf.

If we start to give-in, the later generations will also learn to give-in a bit more until eventually, Shaitan would have accomplished his goal!

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 18th August 2013 10:48

Where should be the azaan of khutbha be performed inside the masjid or outside?

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 18th August 2013 11:27

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Second Adhan is done around the mimbar

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 18th August 2013 16:21

assalamu alaykum,

"if the khutbah was given in a language other than Arabic, it will be held to be Makruh-e-Tahrimi (close to impermissible/haram), yet the obligation of the khutbah will be discharged and the Jumuah will not have to be repeated."

www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/19080

Some of our Hanafi brothers are criticizing Salafi brothers but are also behaving in the same manner. From where have you deduced that Zuhr salah must be done later on if the Jumuah khutba was done in a language other than Arabic?

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