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I need help regarding this artical,we have a guy on our site who only follows the quran,and dont follow the hadith,he has put in this artical,which i dont understand,can any one help please.

Salam,
This is taken from an article 19 Questions for Muslim Scholars. Please try to reply, if you can -

When Did A Hungry Goat Eat Your "Verse Of Stoning To Death"?
God states in His fully detailed book, the Quran, that the adulterer and adulteress should be punished by one hundred lashes. The profound verses of Quran do not make any distinction between married and single adulterers (24:1,2).

Whether those who commit adultery are married or unmarried, white or black, rich or poor, their punishment must be one hundred lashes if they are proven guilty by four eye witnesses (24:4). The only exceptions are slaves, whose punishment is half of the free (4:25). This is the law of God who does not run out of words (31:27), is the best law maker (5:50), never forgets (19:64), and has detailed the Quran (11:1). Whoever looks for other sources of law disobeys the messenger (6:114). Believers do not subscribe to any religious source other than God's revelation (45:6).

Unfortunately, after the death of the prophet Muhammad, the hypocrites fabricated hadiths and attributed them to the prophet and distorted God's law. The people who are described in 6:112 produced lie after lie to change the punishment of adultery to death by stoning for married adulterers. They adopted this law from the Jews and their idol worshipping ancestors (11:91; 44:20; 36:18; 26:116) claiming that the words of God are not complete and clear in 24:1-2. It is significant that the Almighty God stated in the beginning of Chapter 24, that this law is profound and clear!!!

The satanic theory of abrogation in the Quran

By declaring the word of God to be vague and ambiguous, Sunni and Shiah scholars opened a satanic gate for every kind of abuse and distortion. Additionally, by distorting the meaning of 2:106, they claimed that many verses of the Quran had been abrogated (amended) by other verses or by hadith. By this "abrogation theory", they amended every verse which they did not understand or which did not suit their interest or contradicted their hadith. But, like everything else, they disagreed on the number of abrogated verses; some of them abrogated 5 Quranic verses, some 20 verses and some 50 ...

"The verse that has been abrogated by a goat"!

The Arab idol worshipers fabricated hadiths and claimed that prophet Muhammad stoned a couple (Maiz and Gamidiyye) to death. Since they realized that hadiths are not enough to abrogate the clear verses in chapter 24, they even fabricated a "verse" supporting stoning and attributed it to God. They tried to inject this satanic verse into Quran. When they failed, they fabricated foolish stories which only the people who are described in 10:100 believe. According to their story, the 'stoning verse' was recorded in Quran during the time of Muhammad; but just after his death, a goat entered Aisha's house and ate the page on which that verse was inscribed. Thus, the stoning verse has been abrogated physically. This story can be found in Ibn Magah, Nikah, 36/1944 and Ibn Hanbal, 5/131,132,183; 6/269.

How can a verse of a perfect scripture, which was completed during Muhammad's lifetime, be abrogated by a goat? As an answer to this question, Ibn Qutayba, a famous scholar, in his book entitled "Solving the Contradictions Among Hadiths" stated that "the goat is a holy animal". And he asked a counter question: "Why not believe in God's power? As He destroyed the people of Aad and Thamud, He is also able to destroy His revelations by using even a goat!"

"Omar was a hypocrite!!!"

The slanderers of God and the prophet supported their lies with other lies. They slandered Khalif Omar by attributing these words to him: "Because in the future some people will appear and deny the punishment of stoning, by claiming that they can not find it in the Quran, if I did not fear that people will say that Omar is adding to the Quran, I would add the stoning verse into the Quran!!" (Bukhary 93/21; Muslim, Hudud 1691; Tirmizi, Hudud 8/1431; Abu Dawud 41/1; Itkan 2/34). So, if Omar feared God, instead of people, the "stoning verse" would not have existed in all books of hadith as "the verse eaten by a goat"!

"The adulterer monkeys!"

The scholars of hadith and sunnah were not content with these stories; they also stated that "a tribe of monkeys arrested an adulterer monkey and stoned it to death" (Bukhari, 63/27). Those who slandered even monkeys, in order to set them up as an example of following hadith and sunnah, have been described by verses 2:65 & 7:179!

These professional liars also did not spare other believers. For instance, Abu Hanifa was persecuted and tortured in prison by Amawy and Abbasy religious officials due to his rejection of hadith and accepting the Quran alone. He was such a popular figure that following his death, those officials used his popularity for their decrees. Finally, they attributed a whole Sunni sect to him.

"Lie factories" and their managers

In the second Hijrah century, hundreds of thousands of hadiths were fabricated. Attributing lies to God and His messenger became fashionable. For example, Bukhary states that he selected his seven thousand narrations out of seven hundred thousand narrations. According to Bukhary's own confession, 99% of the hadiths he collected were fake.

Muslim scholars were aware of the fact that none could understand a religion which had been distorted by narrations, stories, superstitions, conflicting instructions and cruel laws. Thus, they called and even forced people to follow them blindly, without reasoning and reflecting. They were, and are, always uneasy because of fear that, one day, reasonable people would remove their satanic veil and expose their ignorance. They do not realize that Quran condemns following anyone blindly (2:170; 5:50,104; 10:78, 100; 17:36; 26:74; 31:21; 43:22,23).

"Joint Stock Company Religion"

Our ancestors, just like the Jews and the Christians, invented massive religious concepts and wrote enormous religious books and accepted them as the foundation for their religion (23:52-56; 42:21). They changed the Religion of God into a joint stock religion established by God + messenger + family of the messenger + friends of the messenger + their generations + leaders of sects + scholars of sects....

After this information and criticism, let us ask our questions:

a) What is the punishment of adultery according to the Quran?

b) When did the goat eat the "verse of stoning to death" as is claimed by Bukhary, Muslim, Tirmizy, Ibn Hanbal ?

c) How was the verse eaten by the goat removed from the Quran after the prophet's death?

d) The six famous books of hadith (kutubi sitta) claim that Omar wanted to put the "stoning verse" into the Quran; but he could not do this because of his fear of people. Don't these books insult Omar as being a hypocrite?

e) This terrible punishment which contradicts 24:1,2 and 4:25, is mentioned throughout th e Quran as the idol worshiper's practice (11:91; 19:46; 36:18; 18:20). Is not this a fact?

f) Do you claim that the "stoning verse" which has been removed from the Quran by a holy goat, is still valid in jurisprudence? And what is your proof that this "verse" was literally abrogated, yet is still legally valid?

g) Your "stoning verse" is narrated by all your holy books as "esheyhu wesheyhetu iza zanaya farcumuhuma elbettete...." Is this consistent with the Quranic prose? You all accept this so called verse concerning married adulterers. What Arabic words does the Quran use for married people? What does "esheyhu wesheyhetu" mean in Arabic? (11:72; 12:78; 28:23; 40:67). According to your literally abrogated but legally valid verse, can a young married adulterer be stoned to death? When is one considered old?

h) Let's accept your terrible claim for awhile that some verses of the Quran have been abrogated. The verse 2:106, according to your misunderstanding states: "Whenever a verse is abrogated, God will substitute a better one or at least a similar one". So, if the "stoning verse" has been abrogated as claimed; God must substitute a better one or a similar one. So, which verse has been substituted for the "goat eaten verse"? According to your abrogation theory, how many kinds of abrogations exist?

i) According to your sectarian belief, even abrogated verses remain in the Quran physically. Why has a verse about such an important issue, i.e., stoning to death, been removed from the Quran physically? Why has the small punishment remained in the Quran and the capital punishment been abrogated?

j) According to your own history, many believers had memorized the Quran by heart during the prophet's time. When the goat ate your verse, what happened to the memorized versions?

k) Why do you slander animals, i.e., monkeys, by following Bukhary who narrates many foolish stories?

l) How many verses have been abrogated in the Quran? Do you agree on their numbers? Do you know these verses: 4:82; 15:90-99; 2:85 ?

Samsher Ali
PS,HE FOLLOWS THE TRANSTATION OF RASHEED KHLIFA

W-Salam,

The entire post is a masterpiece of deception mixing Rafidhi, Sunni views with a dash of orietntalism thrown in for good measure.

Lets untangle this web of deceit from a Kaafir, Insha'Allah.

a, c & d, e, f, g, h, i & j) Stoning, its verse and punishment:

All handled by Brother Bassam & Sunnipath and nothing more needs to be said:

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/the_quranic_verse_on_stoning

http://www.sunnipath.com/library/books/B0040P0021.aspx

b) Goat eating the verse:

This is ascribed to Rafidhees and there isn't a SINGLE SUNNI BOOK OR TEXT which claims this. Produce your Authentic evidence and text as to which book says this and we will tackle your allegation. Prove your point, first!

k) Abusing animals and Monkey story in Saheeh Bukhari:

The Hadeeth in Saheeh Bukhari is:

`Amr b. Maym�n - a Companion - in Sah�h al-Bukh�r� (3849):

I had seen in the days of ignorance before Islam, some monkeys who surrounded a she-monkey who had committed unlawful sexual intercourse and they stoned it, so I stoned it along with them.

n Fath al-B�r�, Ibn Hajar al-`Asqal�n� gives a more detailed narration of this event from `Amr b. Maym�n:

I was in Yemen tending the sheep of my people up upon an elevation. A male monkey came with a female and laid his head on her hand. Then a smaller monkey came and beckoned towards her, so she gently slipped her hand out from under the cheek of the first monkey and followed him. He mated with her while I looked on. Then she returned and gently tried to slip her hand back under the cheek of the first monkey, but he woke up suddenly, smelled her, and cried out.

Then the monkeys gathered round and he began screaming while pointing towards her with his hand. The monkeys went all about and came back with that monkey that I recognized. They dug a pit for the two of them and stoned them both. So I had witnessed stoning being carried out by other than Adam's descendants.

This is not a had�th of the Prophet (peace be upon him). It is not even something that `Amr claims he told to the Prophet (peace be upon him). It is just `Amr's personal account of some things `Amr b. Maym�n saw some animals doing. It is merely his interpretation that those monkeys were stoning the other one as a punishment for adultery. There is no way that he could have known their true motives.

There is no Islamic teaching to be gleaned from this account.

Ibn Hajar writes inFath al-B�r� :

It is not necessary that an event that looks like adultery and stoning was really a case of adultery and capital punishment. He merely described it that way because it looked like these things. It does not mean that legal accountability was being applied to animals.

And Allah knows best

And we don't know anything about Goats!

l) Number of Abrogated verses?

Once you understand the idea of "abrogation" then it is clear that the number (either 21 or 5) makes no difference, read about it, here:

http://www.sunnipath.com/library/books/B0040P0021.aspx

m) Bonus question: Abu Haneefa (RA) reject Hadeeth?

Are you serious? J

Quran describes the process of Wudhu in 5:6

Everybody in the Hanafi Madhab from Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) until today is unanimous that Masah (instead of washing is permitted):

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/masahsealskinz.htm

Where is Masah of the feet in the Qur'aan?

Counter-Questions:

The teen-rapist Kaafir Rashad Khalifa has been exposed and many questions have been posed to him in his life and now:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/rk_cult_exposed.htm

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/hadeeth_rejecters

What you like to answer them?

JazakAllah ,greatly appreciate that ,i will inform you of his reply to your post.

wasallam

If you want you can read his treads on my site

click the link below,this also is one of his treads.

http://forum.challengeyoursoul.com/forum/topic3265.html

http://forum.challengeyoursoul.com/forum/topic3326.html#11106

salaam.

Yes i have locked the tread,we have lots of converts and reverts on our site,and some people who are looking in to islam as religion,its misguiding posts for them,his posts can damage people even before they can understand islam,so i had to make that judgement,to save people from damage.

Its ok for people who are already in islam,the problem becomes for new muslims,they lookinging in to their new religion,and his post can course doubts to there minds.

so i thought its best to lock the tread.

Thank you for your help.