The Automatic Wudhu Machine - Seriously what's next?

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2008 17:45

Auto Wudu Washer

The Auto Wudu Washers � (AWW) is the world's first and only automatic pre-prayer
personal washing system introduced to enable an individual to perform the Wudu ablution
efficaciously in conformance to Quranic teachings. This is achieved by the use of a
purpose built ear, mouth and facial washer unit, a forearm and elbow washing unit and
a foot and ankle washing unit all of which are incorporated in a single system. The
AWW� performs all these three Wudu functions hygienically, conveniently and efficiently
without water spillage. The AWW� incorporates state of the art technology in
fluid dynamics, valve control technology and ergonomics, creating an environment that
gives the user an individualized clean washing and drying experience never known and
available before.

Seriously, what's next?

I was also wondering how the Machine would do the required Masah of quarter of the head, or the full head. Or Masah of the nape. Does it also do Miswaak for you? Has there ever been anything wrong with the current method of taps and Hawdh?

A good innovation or is Classic Islam slowly dying?

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2008 19:10

AssalaamAlyakum

I think this a case of "Move with Times Syndrome!"

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2008 20:39

wonder what people will come up with next!

i guess it would be convenient to use at service station or in a plane wer u cant fit ur foot in the sink!

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2008 21:22

I thinks its an amazing invention...

Questions about massah of head etc...im sure they have thought of it, if they havnt, a few teething problems in any innovation happens, you learn and move on

As for islam dyeing - no; it can only die if a person imaan is weak, not because of innovations. Islam has always and is flexible to any modern practice, as long as it fulfills the requirments of islam, i mean, im sure people once upon a time questioned why do we need taps when we have buckets etc.

This invention - saves water, and we all know that saving water is quite a big thing in islam, (never waste). Its also a more hygenic method.

Think it would be ideal for universities, airports, services etc as well as obviously masjids...would be better if it had a drying facility (although that might be a bit too luxurious) (perfect for the shaytaan to whisper in the cold winter days, u still got a bit of tym till namaz, stay here and stay warm)

Overall: it gets my vote

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2008 21:24

P.s. is their a link for this?

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2008 21:27

How more can people get lazy..!!

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2008 21:31

Rujie - i agree there is an element of laziness

but do you not also think, that we are living especially in the uk at a very fast pace, and this system would be benificial?

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2008 22:12

we receive so much reward for performing wudhu, and there are easier options and exceptions for people who cant perform wudhu appropriately. do we really want to deprive ourselves from reward, by sticking our body parts in a piece of metal. anything for an easy life.

how can we sacrifice a bit of effort for a 100% accepted wudhu with an option of an easy life and an incomplete wudhu!

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2008 22:14

definitely doesnt receive my vote, prefer to perform wudhu the way of our beloved Prophet Sallallahualayhiwassalam.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2008 23:34

No, there is no benefit in such a machine, just cutting coners.. as far as i see it why can't we do Wudhu the way our Prophet s.a.w did it as there is much reward in following his s.a.w way.

In any actions of ibadat why do we look for short cuts !!

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2008 11:54

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i think that we should stick to te sunnah as much as possible as their is khair in the sunnah and also someone will not be able to tell if some part is left dry as they are relying on the machine. other thing is that if a person keeps using this machine then people will become lazy and will stop doing wudhu in the sunnah manner.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2008 12:54

As-salaamo'alaikum wa rahmatullah

I've followed this thread with some interest, and much amusement.

Response has been quite impassioned on both sides of the argument, quite possibly because each commentator is imagining the use of such an invention in a specific setting.

I think the crunch question would be, "If such a facility was present in a public toilet, and it was necessary for you to make wudhu there, would you use it (i.e. the 'machine') or the sink?"

Were such an implement to be introduced into our masaajid or homes, no doubt, we would all bemoan it as being khilaaf-e-sunnah and no more than pure laziness on our part. Mind you, Zainab made a perfectly valid point on the use of taps.

However, I can see the advantage of having such a facility being made available in public places just as customised toilets for the disabled are now commonplace, whereas perhaps 20 years ago, they were not. The minimal wastage and spillage of water is the main plus point.

It is often interesting to consider the unforeseen effects of technological developments in use around us. For example, few of us (typically womenfolk

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) can imagine cleaning the house without the use of the vaccuum cleaner, yet the paradox is that we concern ourselves with our physical health whilst shying away from the exertion of commonplace activities such as brushing the floor by hand.

OK, that might sound uncharacteristically chauvinistic, so let's take another example. Have you noticed how when using the 'electric toothbrush' there is minimal need for facial contortion when attempting to reach the various teeth and their parts? Whereas, when we use the miswaak, we will, necessarily have to open our mouths quite wide in order to complete the task satisfactorily... "Where's this leading", I hear you ask ...

Some years back, I came across a book on alternative remedies, in particular focussing on the art of acupressure. One recommended activity advised therein was the daily flexing of the facial muscles by means of opening one's mouth wide and pushing the tongue out as far as possible. This stretch was to be held for a number of seconds and repeated on a daily basis... Apparently, it would help maintain a youthful face free from the wrinkles of old age. At the time, I tried it and found myself laughing and quickly relegated it to the back of my mind.

I remembered it again as I used the miswaak recently, and thought 'subhanAllah' - indeed the Sunnah is an overflowing pot of gold: to attempt to add anything to it is to replace the superior with the inferior.

In conclusion, there must be an aspect of unquestioning adherence when it comes to the sunnah, simply because our knowledge is so limited that we do not see all the benefits of an action. So to replace one action with another, is to risk losing those unseen benefits.

Keeping this in mind, the benefit of having such facilities in public places is that it would minimise our inconveniencing of the general public, and given that we are living in non-muslim lands, is it not wisdom to avoid antagonism of the host? It would also raise the awareness, and eventual acceptance of the Muslim rites of purification for prayer perhaps paving the way for increased ease in performance of salaah wherever one may be; at work or at the train station.

And Allah knows best.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2008 14:34

Zainab wrote:

P.s. is their a link for this?

Sorry no link. This was actually a pdf documentation advertising the machine. I just extracted it all here.

All the replies have been excellent mashaAllah.

The only part of the machine I see useful for public places is the washing feet compartment. Will post more on this topic later inshaAllah

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2008 15:12

Jazakallah - i found the website and had a good read.

I agree, the responses have been very good mashallah, and both sides of the arguments are valid.

I dont have much knowledge, but, i dont understand how this machine would stop you from carrying out a sunnah?

I don't know the ins and outs of how the Prophet Saw did wudhu, other than how we have been taught...i.e. the washing of the face, arms, etc etc...

Now if one questions we are being lazy and supposedly leaving a sunnah...then why do we not just have normal sinks at masjids...or indeed just a tap and a drain; instead we have luxurious wudhu khana's ( i think bradford's masjid was the most modern up to date wudhu kanah i've came across)...we are provided with stools to sit on, taps made in such a manner that we dont have to lift our feet...etc...so then if that is allowed then i dont see how this machine is not fulfilling its duty...from what i can see of the picture, it does not seem as if one just stands there and the machine will do every thing for you, obviously you will still have to use your own limbs to get water into the awkward area's.

Another example would be of how istinjah was done...where once upon a time a jug or a "lotah" was used, nowadays in various places in the toilets you see little shower jets made (sorry i dont know what they are actually called) for convenience...so should we take them out too?

It is slightly a case of moving with the times yes i agree, if we have technology and we can use it for good, then why not?

Umm Afzal: "our knowledge is so limited that we do not see all the benefits of an action. So to replace one action with another, is to risk losing those unseen benefits." - i completly agree with you, but as you mentioned and so did i, it would be a great practical source in public places.

Talibah: i could be wrong, and its probably a question for the ulemaa to think about, but if this machine fullfils the requirment of satisfied wudhu, then how does it deprive you of gaining reward?

Rujie mentions, cutting corners and following in the footsteps of the prophet, and i completely agree, but there are also things to consider here...anything the prophet did is a sunnah, so now if the prophet saw traveled by a cammel, if we can we should do, right...ok we cant in the uk, but if we go abroad, instead of taking a car/taxi etc why do we then not fulfill the sunnah way of travelling? This might be a bad example, but the point im trying to make is, that islam is not against new technologies and advances.

May i take this oppertunity to say that the points made above are valid, but i also think we should at the other side of the coin...lets look at the benifits, rather than just regarding this invention as useless before we have even had the opportunity to experience. P.s. i dont mean to cause any offence, simply debating. I suppose the bottom line will come down to what the ulemaa have to say about this.

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2008 16:39

its a personal preference sis zainab, regardless of how wudhu maybe viewed in public and privacy. i prefer to follow tradition as much as possible in line with our pious ulema and pious predecessors. never been keen on looking for new methods to change something that works fine.

this maching does not cover the masail of masah of the head, wiping of the nape, khilal of the toes, washing the nose gargling the mouth.

performing all these actions would not stop water spillage, which is something inevitable that happens whilst performing wudhu.

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