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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2007 11:55


A bit confused, can brothers and sisters share with me what they understand what is meant by the following terms that the media use when instead of describing a person the following terms are used to describe a muslim,


RADICAL


EXTREMIST

ISLAMIST


FUNDAMENTALIST


MODERATE - THINK THIS IS THE ONLY ONE I UNDERSTAND

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2007 13:20
In my 2 rupees opinion

1st four are for those people who PRACTICALLY implement the TOTAL deen/shariah (as commanded by Allah SWT and revealed to Mohammed SAW and as practiced by him and his noble companions RAD and as understood from their lives by our ulama of ahle sunnah wal jamaat) in their FULL lives or at least try or aspire to it or agree with it.

Last one is for those that have no intention of doing the above or try to themselves cut out the sunnah, the sunnah/lives of sahabah and ulama and try to interpret deen/shariah (i.e Quran and Hadith) using modern thoughts/philosophys.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2007 15:44
you are right Daywalk3r, i have noticed that practising muslims are labelled with the above 4 names, however regards to the C4 broadcast by the 2 khadija's the first khadija was labelled as radical and the second as moderate, yet they were both in full hijab, how do they come up with all these labels. also i cannot clarify the difference between the first four words describing a muslim.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2007 20:42
RADICAL = Muslim


EXTREMIST = Muslim


ISLAMIST = Muslim


FUNDAMENTALIST = Muslim


MODERATE - Kaafir (usually have to change your beliefs to fit in with the description)

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2007 21:22
erm must say i dont agree with oneummahs view. to IabeI someone an outright kaafir you wiII need CONCRETE proof that they REJECT by beIeif any of the main fundamentaI tenents of deen i.e beIief in aIIah aIone, aIIahs books, prophets, angeIs, Iife after death, day of judgement and fate of good and bad aIIah knows (i think those are the main 7??)
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2007 21:36
occasionaIIy some who faII in the 1st four may aIso be caIIed moderate but its rear. the majority of the time its as i said.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2007 21:48
Let me explain,


The description of a 'moderate' Muslim as painted by the Media is often, of that of a Kaafir. I am not suggesting any particular person but the underlying beliefs.


For example, a 'moderate' muslim would have to hold beliefs against the Quran and Sunnah.


So I am not labelling but suggesting that the western view of a moderate muslim is at odds with the basic tenets of Islam.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2007 21:57
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i see where your coming from.


i think the media's ideaI musIim is one who beIives onIy but does not practice but even that is quite risky from their point of view as if the beIief (roots) are there then practice in most cases is not far behind inshaIIah

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2007 22:00
Islam is a set of beliefs which define the religion. The first 4 definitions (as the media would have it) is of Muslims who follow their religion as stated in Quran and Sunnah. This is a true Muslim!


The moderate Muslim wishes to change the religion so that it fits with his life. This is no longer Islam. For example, to not pray Salaat, is a sin. However to believe Salaat is not required of a Muslim, would be Kufr.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2007 22:02
theres a good aticIe i came across few days back which mentioned when in the times of our saIaf the non-musIims who were trying to defeat them aIways refered to them as "babarians, butchers, etc" so same thing now in proper musIims being IabeIed aIsorts.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2007 08:21
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MODERATE - Kaafir (usually have to change your beliefs to fit in with the description)

i think kaafir is a bit of a harsh word to use, but since it has not been specifically directed at any individual or group, there's no harm in it.

we hear many times where a person who has lived a life of complete sin goes on to accept Islam and recites the kalimah at the throes of death, as vice versa many a times a person who has led a whole life of piety rejects Islam and the ability to recite the kalimah is taken away fromm such a person at the time of death. May Allah swt protect and guide all of us the believers and non-believers.

from my understanding, a moderate muslim is someone who sits on the fence enjoying the view of his/her own garden and the next door neighbours, neither does this person want to get off the fence to either sit in his/her own garden or sit in the neighbours garden (which wouldnt make sense to do). one who does such a thing is living in fear and is not strong enough in faith to make a firm decision, no matter what, at the end of the day every individual knows right from wrong, the time has gone to be just sitting on the fence watching the world go by. I have met many moderate thinking people and from my understanding which isnt all that, is that such people lack knowledge and understanding of deen, it is only knowledge that can give us the ability to practice the deen in its entirety.



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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2007 09:46
let me reiterate, i am not in anyway suggesting a moderate muslim is a kaafir. what i saying is that the term is now increasingly being used for those people whose beliefs are contrary to the quran and sunnah.

with respect to the above comment re lifestyle, this is not a question about beliefs but practice. not living according to quran and sunnah is one thing but to deny its authencity is another thing completely.

in essence, my grieviance is with the term, since all muslims are fundamentalists, since we all must accept the fundamentals of the quran and sunnah. the only difference is that some are practicing and some are not (but do not deny that they are sinful). the media would not regard these muslims as moderate, since they do not accept homosexuality etc.

increasingly their idea of a 'moderate' would be someone who is willing to conform to western thinking and believes that Islam should also change.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2007 14:33
Dr Zakir Naik was asked at the manchester conference last year by a report 'are you an extremist?'
He replied 'Yes'... I am extremely polite, extremely well mannered ... !
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2007 17:17
Alhamdulillah! that means all muslims are extremely very well mannered and extremely polite. Muslims are extremely nice people, Subhanallah.

....and all this time i thought the media got it wrong.

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